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[Closed] $2 TT early. Hit set on drawy board.

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Proky11
Joined: 05.10.2009

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$15/$30 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]SB$1500.00:///////;BB$1500.00:///////;UTG1$1500.00:///////;UTG2$1500.00:///////;MP1$1500.00:///////;MP2 (Hero)$1500.00:///////;MP3$1500.00:///////;CO$1500.00:///////;BU$1500.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T:h, T:s.
UTG1 calls $30.00, UTG2 calls $30.00, MP1 folds, Hero calls $30.00, MP3 folds, CO calls $30.00, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($165) Q:c, 6:s, T:c (5 players)
BB checks, UTG1 checks, UTG2 checks, Hero bets $100.00, CO folds, BB folds, UTG1 folds, UTG2 calls $100.00.

Turn: ($365) 9:h (2 players)
UTG2 checks, Hero bets $240.00, UTG2 calls $240.00.

River: ($845) J:h (2 players)
UTG2 bets $330.00, Hero folds, UTG2 gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $845.

Preflop I like conservative way after both UTG players limp, so I over-limp not just only for set mine.
Post-flop as I can see now I made many mistakes in bet sizing, probably because I thought I am value-betting, but in fact I should made bigger bets for protection. In general protection bets should be bigger than value bets.

As played on river I see Kx hand in his range 99,9% of time, so my set is beat...

Good thoughts? _confused:


6 replies

I agree, bet sizes need to be a bit bigger on flop and turn. Folding river is definitely fine imo.


Steelbrewer
Joined: 22.04.2009

Well assuming everybody limped preflop you can't really put your opponents on hand. Raising pre could save you from a lot of troubles. With 165$ in the pot on the flop you can't build the pot big enough to get value anyway. Imagine raising preflop and seeing same flop: if he calls your contibet you can easily shove on the turn and make draws fold.


Proky11 Topic starter
Proky11
Joined: 05.10.2009

thx, so preflop with 2 or more limpers behind RAISE PF w/99 TT > OVERLIMP


Steelbrewer
Joined: 22.04.2009

Yes.

1010 and 99 are very tricky postflop in a multiway pot:

If the board is high you're not sure if your pair is any good, and it probably isn't considering a lot of limpers.

If the board is low and you have an overpair it's once again not that easy, because limpfest for sure invites all sorts of suited/off suited connectors and all sorts of straight draws/two pairs are possible.

And this statement becomes not so obvious.

I over-limp NOT just only for set mine.

Once again if you're not raising 99-1010 but limp behind, hitting set is porbably the only way you can feel more or less safe.

On the other hand when you raise it preflop and stop limpfest you may have better Idea of the callers range.

In a given hand for example if you raise preflop most of the hitchhikers will give up, and you'll probably isolate that 1 limper (UTG). Limp-call is pretty much always 22-99 if he is not slowplaying a monster. And in this situation our set becomes stronger + once again the pot is big enough to valueshow turn.


javafonso
Joined: 26.12.2009

i would call river


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Hi all,

I don't mind preflop. It lets us get to showdown more often when we don't hit a set. And lets us get away from our hand cheaply if people put up resistance on uglier boards. As played however 5-way on this board I would bet pot. Anything less is simply a mistake as it does not get enough value/protect our hand enough from draws. Turn looks fine.

As played I call the river bet. He can "valuebet" 2pair here easily or a lower set.


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