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[Closed] JJ vs UTG tight range

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NymXXL
Joined: 20.05.2008

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($132.91)
Hero (BB) ($100)
UTG ($140.51) 14/12/50 AFr
Button ($103.73)
MP ($146.17)
SB ($116)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
UTG bets $3, 2 folds, Button calls $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 4, 6, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($27.50) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $20, Hero folds

Total pot: $27.50

This is the spot I am strugling with for a longer time. How should I play JJ vs such a tight player´s utg range? I might be ahead of his range but he is never calling with worse (maybe TT) and 4betting with premium hands. But by calling I am turning my hand into any pocket which is calling to set mine + I might get into troubles when I have ovepair. So whats your suggestion? And how should I treat AK?


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VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007

watch his cbeting tendencies. He still hold wide range on flop (any pockets, AQ+) so u ahead of his cbetting range most of the time. Then watch turn cbet to see if u can call once more (but i doubt that we can call such big raise op)
But keep in mind that this board is kinda ugly so his cbets weightened to vbets


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

do you have stats here? (As in what do you mean by "tight" player?). I think the main choice here (if you don't have much information about cbetting tendencies) is Squeeze preflop (but make a plan already about what to do if villain shoves), or just call - basically for set value.

Well, we have to call at least one bet here. On the turn it gets expensive if we call again so I marginally prefer a fold. Especially now that some of the pps you were ahead of before the flop now made a straight or set. I.e. if we call we can only hope to get value from 22, 33, 99

So nh.


NymXXL
Joined: 20.05.2008

Yes I have some basic stats. I have already posted them here but it is maybe pretty chaotic so stats for utg - 14VPIP 12PFR 50AFr %


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Well since he's so tight you can't 3bet +EV, you expect to be up against a strong range of TT+, AQ+ most of the time - so why not setmine?

Imo calling preflop is fine against him, a squeeze could easily be -EV because his range is so strong.

However, as played check/calling the flop is a mistake.
You have an overpair, but we already established he has you crushed most of the time.
Additionally you're 3way on the flop so he might be even less inclined to cbet AK or AQ.

So I'd follow the plan and c/f.

Notice that this seems weak and exploitable, but in fact it's not - by calling you let him exploit you because you do exactly what he's trying to achieve: play a nutrange and get money in the pot against 2nd best hands.


NymXXL
Joined: 20.05.2008

Thx for advice and what about AK instead of JJ?


VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007

seems like i dont get how tight he is ?(
Why

we already established he has you crushed most of the time.

?
Even tight player still holds and cbets almost all his range here - 88+, AQ+


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by NymXXL
Thx for advice and what about AK instead of JJ?

Ah with AK both options, I'd probably squeeze AKo and be more tempted to call AKs because it plays better 3way.

Originally posted by VzLOM
seems like i dont get how tight he is ?(
Why

we already established he has you crushed most of the time.

?
Even tight player still holds and cbets almost all his range here - 88+, AQ+

Imo he doesn't cbet overcards since we're 3way on the flop. HU I'd probably c/c as well.


VzLOM
Joined: 23.12.2007

now i get it. He still have hands that we beat (88-TT) but against all range we could be standing bad plus we dont have pos and our hand is vulnerable even vs overs.