[Closed] Plo50 Sh: Kkj8

Originally posted by Jackalof
$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($71.60)
Hero ($109.50)
BTN ($50)
SB ($194.35)
BB ($47.55)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is CO 8♠ K♠ J♦ K♥
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: 3♥ 7♠ 3♦ ($10.50, 2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: 8♦ ($24.50, 2 players)
SB bets $16, Hero folds

Villain plays 16/10 over a ~1.5K sample, 3-bets 2%. A winning player over a big sample size.

I am really confused in situations like these.
Should I check/raise this dry flop basically turning my hand into a bluff?
Does his bet on turn mean he has 3 there always, or has he picked up a flushdraw to go with his let's say aces?
What is the best line there? What should I be expecting to hit with this hand vs a nit? Maybe I should even consider folding preflop (both deepstacked)?

I would never fold preflop against a player who has a 3 bet percentage of 2% and he makes this 3 bet from out of the blinds when we are 200 bets deep.

AAxx is dealt to you 1 in every 41 hands and makes up 2.5% of all the hands you are dealt. So we can assume aces are a large portion of his 3 betting range. Call preflop and hope to spike a king or 2 pair. Let it go if you don't. It's perfectly possible he has a 3 to go with his two aces as most people will slow down with aces on the turn.

There are better ways to win money than to try and bluff a player off aces, especially on a board with no draws. What is important to remember here is that he is 2 seats to your left. This means when you are on the button he is in the big blind and when you are CO he is small blind. So you will have position on him the 2 times you will be playing the most hands in position, which is great when deep stacked.

so do you call the flop as a float then at all ever or do you just fold the flop?

Originally posted by chenny8888
so do you call the flop as a float then at all ever or do you just fold the flop?

I don't mind a flop call against players with ranges wider than just aces, really I could talk for hours about game theory in a situation like this.
Personally due to the lack of draws I don't believe this is a good spot to float, we *know* we are behind so we might as well just fold. If the flop was wetter then it's possible to float. The issue I have is that we have position on a nit, we take his money by outflopping him when he has a hand he really likes. We don't want to bet turn and river when a guy with AA goes into check call mode when we're holding KK

If I was villain holding AA3x, I would definitely check raise turn as I expect a lot of players to float flop and bet turn when I check to them. Just be glad this guy is betting turn instead as it makes your decision to fold a lot easier.

I would never fold preflop against a player who has a 3 bet percentage of 2% and he makes this 3 bet from out of the blinds when we are 200 bets deep.

Does the stack size influence your decision to never fold here? Would you call for 100 bb effective? Still new at this game but what little I' ve read so far says this is an auto fold when we know he has Aces. Thanks

I disagree we know he has aces. Have in mind his WHOLE 3-bet is 2%, meaning he 3-bets somewhat wider range IP. I mean he's a winning player over a decent sample size, I doubt he blindly 3-bets aces only, disregaring his position.

EDIT: hmm, i spewed out non-sense because he is out of position but i still think 2% is wider than AA** esp out of position.

I dunno, maybe this is very biased, but I very rarely 3-bet aces, esp. OOP, i love 3-betting ds rundown and gappy rundown hands hoping villain puts me on aces so I can safely c-bet on A high or hit my hand and stack his top pair or smth.

Sorry, that first part of my post was meant to be quoting Ribbo.

Jackalof, I was just asking if the effective stacks affect the decision to call pre or are we never folding here. Most videos(non of Ribbo's yet unfortunately) I've watched advocate calling with any 4 when faced with a 3 bet that is most likely AA. But KK or possibly any other pair as well does not flop well often, sidecards notwithstanding.
So I guess my question is can we find a fold for 100bb against a decent player with our holding vs probably AA when Im guessing we lack the implied odds even if we do hit? Thanks in advance for your reply.