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stealyourblinds
Joined: 20.01.2010

Hi everybody

This is a hand on the deepstacks 11$ tournament of PokerStars when there was 11 players left out of 1300, after a bit over 12h of tournament.

The oponent seemed a reasonable balanced player.

Here is the hand:

Known Players:
[tg]Position_Stack: hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;MP2_124110:///////;MP3_206700:///////;Hero_824819:///////;BU_1007760:///////;SB_1440403:///////;BB_237420:///////;[/tg]
SnG-MTT $ 11.00 (949 Players)
4000/8000 No-Limit Hold'em, Ante 800 (6 Players)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy.com Elephant 0.90.30913.3 by www.pokerstrategy.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 :diamond:, 2 :diamond:
2 fold,
Hero raises 12000 to 20000, BU folds, SB calls, BB folds

Flop: (52800) Q :diamond:, 8 :diamond:, 3 :club: (2 Players)
SB checks,
Hero bets 33000, SB calls

Turn: (118800) J :diamond: (2 Players)
SB bets 32000,
Hero raises 89000 to 121000, SB calls

River: (360800) K :heart: (2 Players)
SB bets 64000,
Hero raises 126000 to 190000,
SB raises 1075603 to 1265603 (All In), Hero folds, SB gets uncalled bet back

Final Pot: 740800

After tanking for about 2 minutes I thought that i was very likely up against an A high flush, and decided to save the extra 50BB that i still had behind.

Looking back at the hand I think that given the way that the oponent played the turn I could have simply flat caled the river instead of reraising to spare me this dificult situation.

I am looking forward to hear opinions about this hand, you can also call me "Nit" if you think so. :)

Thank you for your coments.


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

raise more on the river (220) the first time round then fold is good. don't call river.


imo is ugly spot cos board is ugly and imo villain will play AdT same way imo + he will overplay some times some 2 pairs combos/str8/sets and smaler flushes too like 45d+ .... so i guess if i'm not happy to call river shove I'll prob wouldn't raise on river (i'll get some info on villains range and how he plays his hands oop)


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

i wouldn't say so, i'd say villains are cogniscent enough of the fact that the flopped flush draw got there on the turn. If it was a backdoor flushdraw your point is more valid. however still i think the percentage of times they "valuebluff" you out of the best hand is far outweighed by the times they pay you off with a straight or 2pair or something.


I personally wouldn´t fold.
Close to the final table bubble I think players can sometimes make moves and what is more important I think they can shove for value worse hands, like AdTx or lower flushes, but if you feel that you have edge over the other players I guess you can fold. I´d personally think A high flush would 3-bet that turn instead of b/c turn and leading out small on the river
Plus I´d really like to raise river: sets, two pair, straights that I´d be afraid facing river shove


stealyourblinds
Joined: 20.01.2010

Yes, I felt like i could still do well with 50BB behind. Like it hapened 2 hands later, where I went back to over 80BB against the same player with 2 pairs against his TP of J with K kicker.
My value bets on the turn and river were being widely paid, maybe because I had a prety LAG image on the flop, and players couldn't dissociate it from my actions on the turn and river.

Plus I already try to reach the final table of this tournament for a while, i get a lot of ITM (like 25%) but the best that I had managed before was 14th and 17th place almost 9 months ago.

So at that time my decision was, either make a call to risk busting short before the final table, or save the 50BB and wait for beter spots. If i had less than 30BB behind i would have called.

If my oponent realy had me, or used his stack to make pressure on me, I will never know. What i am convinced is that I shouldn't have raised the river, if i wasn't confident to call a shove over me. Or will i be loosing too much value if i stop raising rivers in situations like that?

This time finaly worked with reaching final table, I entered it as 3rd in chips, with around 75BB (which was also the chip average). Unfortunately (or by my mystake) ended on 9th place after 1h of final table. Btw, this was an insane long final table, it lasted 5h, with the top 2 making deal and not even playing the heads up. The total tournament duration time was 17h and 48 minutes, crazy!!!


stealyourblinds
Joined: 20.01.2010

Originally posted by Kaitz20
Plus I´d really like to raise river: sets, two pair, straights that I´d be afraid facing river shove

What do you mean here? You would like to raise river in those situations, if you were on the spot of my oponent?


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007

Originally posted by Kaitz20
I personally wouldn´t fold.
Close to the final table bubble I think players can sometimes make moves and what is more important I think they can shove for value worse hands, like AdTx or lower flushes, but if you feel that you have edge over the other players I guess you can fold. I´d personally think A high flush would 3-bet that turn instead of b/c turn and leading out small on the river
Plus I´d really like to raise river: sets, two pair, straights that I´d be afraid facing river shove

i think ppl give more credit to river raises.