The random numbers used in poker software use white noise gathered from space that's then put through a randomness algorithm if i recall correctly. So it's pretty random as there's an aspect uncontrollable by human kind.
EDIT: Also aleback is correct the expected % of times that you lose a particular hand does not grow the more hands you play. It stays the same. Only the number of hands you lose grows. This is obviously correct to anyone with common sense 
Originally posted by Sviestazis
omfg what cant you understand, you know why players call and raise with crappy cards? They dont know how to play and they dont care, they just risk and call with hope maybe i will get and win and they are, like i said cards coming out randomly and you need to be lucky to get your card on table even if you have a strong AK or somthing like that, nowhere is writed or told if you have AK in hand you are 100% winner but seems like some of you guys think you are, yea okey for AK is way much bigger odds to win but that is not enough.You writed Pokerstars have this crap less are you serious are you flipin serious? I just left Pokerstars because of there funny river, only way i loose tournament is because of river, i cant tell you examples because i dont remember them correctly, but i have like 1000 situation where river screw me up big time, can you imagine? All my looses and loosing tournament by it self is only because of rivers, was getting really mad and start to scream that they have something rigged there, but i know i am wrong, but somehow rivers there for me is so freaking strange and unlucky, then i tryed Full tilt and you know what, im pretty succesfull and at moment i cant tell any bad words about cards that coming out, only good, because sometimes river is helping me out, what i cant tell about poker stars, here is your story and pokerstars is less shity.
Sorry about my english i hope you will understand my text correctly ♦
then you have stars as I have full tilt 
Originally posted by Percypugrug
Just Face it variance is high in poker. I have played online sit n goes for 5 years on many different sites and playing mainy tight aggressive abc poker. This style should keep the variance down to a minimum . I still have have had lots of runs of 20+ games without a cash where Ak has been constantly beaten by Ax etc ♠_mad:. This is quite normal.
first post that sounds +1!
Originally posted by mattisks
first post that sounds +1!
You obviously didnt read my post here then.
Originally posted by mariostoona
you are right to ask this,i played in other poker rooms for years but started at FT this time and noticed that a lot players say that is rigged..shall i worry?!
nice post..
Well, I wouldn't worry. There is always a x% of players that believe a pokersite is rigged. Full tilt just has a bigger playerpool then many other sites, resulting in more people thinking it's rigged...
I used to be one of them 
But tbh, it was all due to ignorance, lack of knowledge and frustration. Always when the human brain finds something that it feels can't be explained, or isnt normal, it needs something to blame it on. And what can we blame it on? Ofc, the game is rigged.
There are people who believe everything is rigged, when really it's just their ego getting in the way. They're better then that, they DESERVE to win... with time, I have come to understand that variance is bigger then any of us can probably guess. Even though I already find myself understanding variance, I haven't seen the best of it yet. Of that I'm sure.
You may say full tilt is more rigged then other sites. But you know what? That's variance too. Variance > us all 
Originally posted by Alficor1
Originally posted by mattisks
first post that sounds +1!You obviously didnt read my post here then.
you don't make sense, mate
be nice mattisks, he does make sense. At least, the post I saw... I'd probably put it in a different way tho. Retarded is a bit harsch. Clueless fits better
Originally posted by mattisks
Originally posted by Alficor1
Originally posted by mattisks
first post that sounds +1!You obviously didnt read my post here then.
you don't make sense, mate
Normally i'd just say something about your mother now, but you got lucky.. why exactly doesnt my post (first reply on the first page) sense?
Nah vonki, i like word retarded better.
I used to be a rigtard myself, and have published articles online arguing that online poker is rigged. (Those articles still earn me a few pennies per month because the writing site doesn't permit me to delete them.)
The problem with online poker being rigged, however, is that some player must win every hand. It's not possible for a site to be rigged against absolutely everyone. If you're going to allege sensibly that online poker is rigged, you have to come up with which players benefit from the rigging and why it would be in the poker site's interest to have those specific players benefit. And I haven't been able to come up with an argument of that sort--not an argument that the site uses shills, or that it relies on bots, or that some players on some tables simply don't exist and their winnings get funnelled into Raymond Bitar's retirement account. None of those options make much sense.
That said, I don't understand college-level statistics well enough to be able to analyze the random number generators that poker sites use and satisfy myself that they aren't skewed in some way, so my mind remains open to proof from those who have done the analysis and present it in a way I can understand. If someone can explain to me in words of one syllable just why the random number generators are or are not skewed, I'll be satisfied.
And there's another thing. Variance evens out to zero only over an infinite number of hands. In fewer than an infinite number of hands, the chances of running at exactly neutral luck are almost nonexistent. Over the course of their entire, finite playing careers, some players will have positive luck while others will have negative luck. That's just the way it is.
Originally posted by belayd
And there's another thing. Variance evens out to zero only over an infinite number of hands. In fewer than an infinite number of hands, the chances of running at exactly neutral luck are almost nonexistent. Over the course of their entire, finite playing careers, some players will have positive luck while others will have negative luck. That's just the way it is.
That's what makes it pretty much impossible to prove if it is or it is not rigged. We just need to take what we get and swallow the bad beats. We can say however that it is 'rigged' for us from our own personal experience, rigged meaning running bad actually. Everything in poker has a statistical probability which is different than 0 meaning that no matter how improbable it is it may still happen.
Online poker is rigged, 70 percent of new players start of with a boomswitch, and their boomswitch= someone else = forced to lose = rigged.
Do studies on it 2 see, and u will be shocked 2 find out the truth that mst people that start playing online poker start of winning.
I remember on full tilt i was complete fish didnt know how 2 play at all and still won literally 20 hu sngs in a row...i thought i was king...then after boomswitch went so did my confidence.
how do poker sites benefit? Duuuuuuuh me no need 2 say anything
Originally posted by fryandspicy
Also aleback is correct the expected % of times that you lose a particular hand does not grow the more hands you play. It stays the same. Only the number of hands you lose grows. This is obviously correct to anyone with common senseI didn't express myself correctly,but if a bad beat hypothetically occurs 1 in each 100 hands,doesn't that mean that if you play 2000 hands you will get 20 bad beats?
The percentage is 0.01% everytime,my mistake,you're right,but you will suffer from more bad beats in a shorter period of time online,than live,thus giving the impression of the odds and the whole universe conspiring against you?
Regardless,bad beats will occur more frequently,as in quantity not percentage. Did i get it right this time?
And not to mention that AK vs J7,villain wins,isn't a bad beat,he is going to win that 33/100 times.Even AA vs J7,he will win 14/100 times.A bad beat is a statistical improbability,like quads over quads,or quads vs straight flushes.
You can't really say you got a bad beat pre-flop.He is dominated,but he is still going to win here and there.On the long run,you take him down.
I don't think FT is rigged but I do believe the software was designed to generate more rake. If loose players hit their outs more frequently they will keep playing and generating more rake.
I give FT, desinstall the software and I am now happy with Pokerstars.
Originally posted by MargaRJ
I don't think FT is rigged but I do believe the software was designed to generate more rake. If loose players hit their outs more frequently they will keep playing and generating more rake.
I give FT, desinstall the software and I am now happy with Pokerstars.
how many outs do you feel you have in this kind of hand with J7?
AQ vs J7s Q32? Its just ridicolous what is happening on FTP
Originally posted by ZeMammuth
Online poker is rigged, 70 percent of new players start of with a boomswitch, and their boomswitch= someone else = forced to lose = rigged.Do studies on it 2 see, and u will be shocked 2 find out the truth that mst people that start playing online poker start of winning.
I remember on full tilt i was complete fish didnt know how 2 play at all and still won literally 20 hu sngs in a row...i thought i was king...then after boomswitch went so did my confidence.
how do poker sites benefit? Duuuuuuuh me no need 2 say anything
+1 
Originally posted by Alficor1
Originally posted by mattisks
Originally posted by Alficor1
Originally posted by mattisks
first post that sounds +1!You obviously didnt read my post here then.
you don't make sense, mate
Normally i'd just say something about your mother now, but you got lucky.. why exactly doesnt my post (first reply on the first page) sense?
I always end up laughing when you start saying anything about my mother. The thing why I wrote what I wrote is because you basically started beggin for me to rate your post higher. It doesn't mean that you make or don't make sense. I just don't want to go back because you want me to. That's all
Just look at my posts. I am rather crying about some rigedness or else don't make much sense.. I was pulling your leg. And yeah. I think his post was much better otherwise I would give yours some credit, no?
Originally posted by furculision
Originally posted by fryandspicy
Also aleback is correct the expected % of times that you lose a particular hand does not grow the more hands you play. It stays the same. Only the number of hands you lose grows. This is obviously correct to anyone with common senseI didn't express myself correctly,but if a bad beat hypothetically occurs 1 in each 100 hands,doesn't that mean that if you play 2000 hands you will get 20 bad beats?
The percentage is 0.01% everytime,my mistake,you're right,but you will suffer from more bad beats in a shorter period of time online,than live,thus giving the impression of the odds and the whole universe conspiring against you?
Regardless,bad beats will occur more frequently,as in quantity not percentage. Did i get it right this time?
And not to mention that AK vs J7,villain wins,isn't a bad beat,he is going to win that 33/100 times.Even AA vs J7,he will win 14/100 times.A bad beat is a statistical improbability,like quads over quads,or quads vs straight flushes.
You can't really say you got a bad beat pre-flop.He is dominated,but he is still going to win here and there.On the long run,you take him down.Yeah you got it right now. That is what I was saying and the reason why I am not saying anything like I lost with AA 3 times in a row or similar. That's why I am speaking about %.
And AQ vs J7 on Q32 is a bad beat. The ones you speak about quads vs quads are coolers. Bad beat is when you get it in with a lot of equity way ahead and you lose.
Originally posted by mattisks
I always end up laughing when you start saying anything about my mother. The thing why I wrote what I wrote is because you basically started beggin for me to rate your post higher. It doesn't mean that you make or don't make sense. I just don't want to go back because you want me to. That's all
Just look at my posts. I am rather crying about some rigedness or else don't make much sense.. I was pulling your leg. And yeah. I think his post was much better otherwise I would give yours some credit, no?I wasnt exactly begging. I said that my post made sense too, i didnt expect you to say something like "Oh yea, Alficor1, your post was amazing, i wish i was as awesome as you are". I just pointed out that my post sounds fine too. It was more of a brag then a beggary.
With all the drama going on surrounding FTP at the moment, ( money laundering, bank fraud, announcements being pushed back and back for player payouts and now the pros in hiding and acting like all stupid and clueless if fronted with a question about the situation), you can't seriously think that they would'nt touch up the RNGs with Xs here and there in the programming, you must be a very nieve person to not even consider it's a possibilty.
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