Originally posted by roopopper
Originally posted by biogas
Originally posted by mattisks
the problem is you play lots of ppl that play exactly the same MSS as you.. Just watch their sizes of cbets, 3bets etc.. Its nit vs nit strategy. Only way you can earn some $$$$ playing that way is either to get lucky or by playing tons, being even but lock rakeback
So conclusion is that Pokerstrategy teaches us to become nits... And they said TAG's...
I think pokerstrategy helps us to play a tight game and then we build from there
Gerv the coach recently told me in a post that we have to build our basic game from stats and maths. If we could follow charts and win big everyone would be a big winner!! the charts we are following are tight ranges that most poker tuition sites, forums and books are teaching from this point we have to bulid our game with help from the coaches.
i have been thinking about this a lot for the last few days and we are here to learn. Playing 10k or 20k worth of hands from a starting hand chart without learning to read stats, work out ranges etc is pointless!!!I get all the idiot posters on here with their smart ass comments about how clever they are!!! what the hell are they doing here if they are so damn good!!! the comment play bss for example? what was the point in this post than to just feel superior in some way?
all you posters in this thread with your crappy " I know better than you posts" i bet not one of them can show making any real money!! show me your graphs with your 50k winnings!! and if you have got a graph showing this what the hell are you doing acting so damn superior for ?If you dont like mss strategy and think its rubbish go and annoy someone else! If you are so damn clever why dont you apply to be a coach!!
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@RandomGenerator
Did you fix your winnings in the end? Most MSS graphs I've seen have similar problems, including mine and the bug is Non-Showdown Winnings. I've seen your openraise in late positions and sb and it's looking ok, so you're definately not a nit. Your cbet looks ok (68%) so it can't be that. All other stats look fine.
Maybe this is a limitation of MSS? When playing BSS with tight stats it's expected to have twice as bigger showdown winnings because of the stack size. In MSS the stack is small and it doesn't cover the non-showdown winnings by a lot.
Playing rush MSS is like hammering nails in a coffin, because there are very few fishes so the NONSD winnings are even smaller, which leads to break-even graph.
I think the strong point of MSS is the stack size, it allows cheap shoves. Basically that's the only reason we're playing it, besides not being abble to play proper BSS. So the true strength of the strategy is appliable at medium limits where people 3bet more lightly and we can bluff shove, or 3bet them lightly for cheap prices (3betting 4bb to 9bb instead of 12bb like you're supposed to do at micros because people will call) and benefit from this from the mathematical point of view alone.
Yes, I did fix it. On NL25 I've had the nonSD winnnigs near zero in may. Right now I play NL50 with about 1bb/100 winrate but have the same problem with the nonSD line
It is easy: with such a non-showdown winnings curve, there are three possibilities:
=> either his steal/resteal play is not enough, and therefore he is "lying" when he says he does this. In fact if you are exploited preflop because you're too weak preflop, you will need to loosen-up your game. Steal more, resteal more, defend your blinds when your hand dominates his stealing range. Most FR players are not really good at defending blinds, and I know as a former SSS player that with shorter stacks you don't bother defending them, and this is a costly leak.
=> Either he is folding the best hand way too often. This is relevant with your showdown winnings pointing towards the sky: looks like you go to the showdown only when your showdown range crushes his, and when you have a decent advantage you simply fold, and give away your nice 55% or 60% of equity in the pot. If this is really the case, I'm pretty sure some opponents exploit you with pure air, when you fold quite often 90% of equity.
=> Maybe you are not valuebetting enough. When you value-bet, you will get a lot of hands out of the way, winning the money in the "non showdown winnings line", and winning less money in the "showdown winnings" line.
I did voluntarily write that in third, because I wanted to attract your attention onto other possibilities before. However given the shape of your graph I'm pretty sure the problems comes mainly from here. When I started to valuebet properly, this line in my tracker stopped to go down (it was around -10BB/100 hands) to a nice +2BB/100 hands). My showdown winnings lost a little bit, which is normal, but not that much since by value-betting you will also win bigger pots.
If you understand french, you should look for the "la ligne rouge" videos ("the thin red line"). This is a serie of videos focusing on the non-showdown winnings line of your tracker. I did not find that video in English.
Oh yeah I forgot it was a gold level video, sorry about that. Keep the link somewhere for when you will be gold, this video is really worth it!
Anyway, in my first post I did summarize a few things that are in that video, this is already good things to think about for you :), may highlight a few things in the game that will help you adapt your opponents.
Rush poker can be killer! $7 bankroll to $2k in 10days starting at micro limits with aggressive BRM, had $1k swings where I lose half my roll, then buy-in $100 and leave with $1,000+ lol.