A7s at FT 7.5turbo

I think I would fold here because of the stack sizes.

my reads were that CO is opening wide coshe was most active player but maybe he was just getting most playable hands/ spots

i do 3bet to look stronger and to have room to fold if there is a lot of action

PokerStars - $7+$0.50|10000/20000 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: 290,381.00
Hero (BTN): 399,076.00
SB: 71,016.00
BB: 203,755.00
UTG: 193,469.00
UTG+1: 159,516.00
MP: 658,287.00

CO posts ante 2,500.00, Hero posts ante 2,500.00, SB posts ante 2,500.00, BB posts ante 2,500.00, UTG posts ante 2,500.00, UTG+1 posts ante 2,500.00, MP posts ante 2,500.00, SB posts SB 10,000.00, BB posts BB 20,000.00

Pre Flop: (47500.00) Hero has A♣ 7♣

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 40,000.00, Hero raises to 97,400.00, fold, BB raises to 201,255.00 and is all-in, fold, Hero ??????

now? we got to sigh call right (for pot odds)? its not ISM mistake to call of here?

Ugh yea I think got to make that crying call there.

But I just think you should be like really tight and tbh just try to play value hands. I mean is CO really opening that wide??? Probably was at the start but as he goes along he is going to be tightening his range so thats also worth considering.

Also worth considering that you can money ladder a little which is increasing your $EV and just by waiting for a hand - or at least by waiting for spots where you can steal with people having like 100% ranges i.e first in rather than these narrowed ranges where we aren't really sure on his range and can cost us a lot if we get it wrong. I mean might be that CO has levelled himself into the point that cos he has been active he as now slowed off a lot.

That being said it's not wrong to do what you did imho - i'm just looking for the most optimal line to take on the overall game plan. And what we don't want to do is make mistakes ourselves when so many relative BB on the line.

But end of day is a turbo you can't ever really make horribad mistakes.

Hi all,

Shove preflop. No need to balance with 3betting because you're never 3bet/folding here IMO, esp with that size. Laddering is somewhat a consideration but here A7s is too strong vs a wide opener.

And never 3bet/folding = esp not when BB makes it 2x your bet!

i prefer 3beting here cos looks stronger and we can fold if like CO + BB get it in or we can even make a hero fold if SB and CO get it in reagrdles we r geting great odds (i dont think that often enough random villains in CO place will 4bet shove light when they got to go to showdown)

Originally posted by chenny8888
No need to balance

No there isn't - we are shoving our monsters anyway, and just doing this to increase our FE and let us herofold if like everyone decides to get it in.

Haven't done the math but with this specific hand I don't think we can hero fold anyway, even if everyone sticks it in.

Originally posted by chenny8888
Haven't done the math but with this specific hand I don't think we can hero fold anyway, even if everyone sticks it in.

yes we can, we just click the fold btn instead call btn

my instincts disagree with this, esp if we're making it half our effective stack.

Originally posted by chenny8888
my instincts disagree with this, esp if we're making it half our effective stack.

maybe we should ask pzhon to calculate ICM??

We could but it's like 30 minutes of work at the least for something that comes up very very rarely. It would then be extremely difficult for us to find a situation in game where this is actually applicable and then for us to choose to 3bet instead of shoving. So IMO simply shoving is superior.

EDIT: takes a very long time because of the side pots