Nl 200 Tt

what fds you've got that u c/c the F with?

ATdd, AJdd, 9Tdd, TJdd, JQdd, QTdd, occasionaly AQdd, 67dd. I would play the same 66 and 88.

wow, why would you C/C all those hands? very interesting

Originally posted by z1pz0r
Villain is 25/18, 87% cbet, 43% agg freq, 36% on turn, 26% wtsd.
BB is 24/12/4 passive player.

Everyone else is reg, and the game was extremelly aggressive both pre and postflop.

Why would you stay at such a table in the first place :P.

On a more serious note:
I don't like the call pre too much because your hand looks as strong as it is.
The same goes on the flop, by this time you more or less have 99-JJ, QQ 3bets pre probably.
While you can argue that you can therefore call down because he sees that and tries to barrel you, you're basically risking an entire stack with a supermarginal hand.
So I much prefer to either c/f the flop or lead.

As played I can see the argument for checkraising the turn to get Kx to fold, but the question is if he thinks you'd ever c/c a FD on the flop?
So imo c/f > c/r.

Btw why would you c/c your FDs?
If you do it because he doesn't expect this and you think you'll get tons of calls/value once the flush hits, it's obv that c/r-bluffing is not the best idea ;).

wow, for once i actually agree with a bierbaer analysis and think it shows good tohught processes. CAN IT BE?!?!

Originally posted by Bierbaer

Originally posted by z1pz0r
Villain is 25/18, 87% cbet, 43% agg freq, 36% on turn, 26% wtsd.
BB is 24/12/4 passive player.

Everyone else is reg, and the game was extremelly aggressive both pre and postflop.

Why would you stay at such a table in the first place :P.

On a more serious note:
I don't like the call pre too much because your hand looks as strong as it is.
The same goes on the flop, by this time you more or less have 99-JJ, QQ 3bets pre probably.
While you can argue that you can therefore call down because he sees that and tries to barrel you, you're basically risking an entire stack with a supermarginal hand.
So I much prefer to either c/f the flop or lead.

As played I can see the argument for checkraising the turn to get Kx to fold, but the question is if he thinks you'd ever c/c a FD on the flop?
So imo c/f > c/r.

Btw why would you c/c your FDs?
If you do it because he doesn't expect this and you think you'll get tons of calls/value once the flush hits, it's obv that c/r-bluffing is not the best idea ;).

Are you suggesting we 3b/fold pre or just open fold, both seem like disasters.

Originally posted by Kruppe
wow, for once i actually agree with a bierbaer analysis and think it shows good tohught processes. CAN IT BE?!?!

Thank you so much, I feel honoured.
May I print this, put it in the wall next to my screen and use it for tilt reduction purposes?

@pleno
An openfold is too weak, I agree.
And I never said 3bet/fold, but I'm certainly 3betting.
Usually I would indeed fold vs a 4bet here, but this depends a lot on game dynamics and even more on the specific opponent - on Microgaming where 4bettingranges are smth like KK+ and the occasional AK I'm more than happy to 3b/f, but that's because I never fold a 4bet.
Probably on Stars in a more aggressive game it's more of a 3b/shove, but again it depends on the opponent.