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Primrose6789
Joined: 01.07.2016
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I would say more like this:

You played well!


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maniac
Joined: 29.03.2006
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Hey Collin,

I would like to know if your interested in ideas for upcomming videos? If so how about a video or coaching where you point out the differences between sng and mtt formats. Most players tend to play different formats due to the overall player freqency at the tabels. It would be nice to know what are the real differences between 6 max, Fr and diffenrent mtt formats. We have of course some different ranges due to the icm and cev, but there lots of similiar stuff ( e.g. postflop) who we can use. I think its also interesting who a payout structure changes our ranges. For example the 6 max stuctures diviate from site to site. Wheras at stars we got a 65 35 structure but at ipoke its 70 30. The general ideas for changing our standard ranges from cev to icm to adapt in every format is covert from tine to time, but there are no general guidelines or a compact view in one video. I think as tourney players we should work on our gererall understanding of the game per se.

I hope you find this a little bit interesting too.

Greetings

maniac


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CollinMoshman
Joined: 20.09.2011
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Haha you played great Nickdega, but your gif and Prim's were both awesome.

Thanks for the idea Maniac! I'm always grateful for feedback, and will definitely give thought to how I could make a video on this concept.


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CollinMoshman
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This week on the coaching ... 6max MTT! We're going to take a look at a short-handed tournament and break down optimal strategy and lines. See you guys there :)


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maniac
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Thanks. Glad glad that you liked it. I am happy to condribute smth to our community.

Greets

maniac


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015
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Hello, I would like to kindly ask for an explanation. I put the same numbers into icimizer2 and into Icm Trainer. For the first look I thought I got the same numbers but then I realized I was looking at a wrong line. I was looking at SB calling range and BB overcalling range. When I look at SB vs BB pushing range Icimizer says 15% push but Icm trainer says a lot wider - 56%.

Can you please explain to me why the numbers are so different or if I made a mistake somewhere. I thought I could use ICM calculation in ICM trainer for some analyzing.

Thank you!


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@mjez1
I think it's because how you setup it, for instance on HRC you have optimized linear nash / unrestricted nash
Malmuth-Harville ICM / 'FGS' /CashEV/ChipEV ... according how you setup it you wont have the exact same results. Also ICM Trainer is somewhat an old tool i guess.
And obviously the edge you give to Hero.


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maniac
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jup looks like you made a config error. 15% as a sb range seems way to tight.


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mjez1
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Well, I just copy/pasted the hand into Icimizer. I can't find a mistake there.


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well it has to be a icmizer setting. Did you try holdemressources calc? I honestly cant believe the icmizer ranges. Its s pre bubble ok but icm tax isnt that high. you even call looser than you shove. This rarely the case. Only if the sb is pretty short.

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maniac


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mjez1
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Thank you for your reply. No, I haven't tried HRC, yet. I will look at the setting once again.


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CollinMoshman
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Good question Mjez, and thanks Maniac for your answers -- I definitely agree that different settings are the most likely cause for this difference. Lot of possible options for how you set these hands up :)

This week on the coaching, I'm happy to announce that Pokerstrategy member and Twitch streamer Upay4dinner will be coming on to play live SNGs for us. Excited about this one and hope to see everyone there!


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Primrose6789
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U4pay, will you play on Party? :banana: Would be awesome!

We found out that we are both "Party" (poker)-people and share the passion for PKOs _biggrin:


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CptJokerFish
Joined: 06.06.2017
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Holdem Resources ( http://www.holdemresources.net/nashicm ) gave me also other results as PokerStrategy ICM Trainer. I trust Holdem Resources more as the PokerStrategy ICM Trainer because the ICM Trainer is already outdated.


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Primrose6789
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Indeed ICMtrainer is outdated. I trust ICM-izer.


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UPAY4DINNER
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Originally posted by Primrose6789
U4pay, will you play on Party? :banana: Would be awesome!

We found out that we are both "Party" (poker)-people and share the passion for PKOs _biggrin:

Yes, $1.10 and $2.20 SNGs as long as my laptop works!


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Primrose6789
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Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER

Originally posted by Primrose6789
U4pay, will you play on Party? :banana: Would be awesome!

We found out that we are both "Party" (poker)-people and share the passion for PKOs _biggrin:

Yes, $1.10 and $2.20 SNGs as long as my laptop works!

I still use to play those sometimes, when traffic is low (there are not enough 5.50 $ s) even though I mostly play MTTs and DONs.


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Primrose6789
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Aaaaw, memories: When I played live at the coaching, I played exactly those! _love:_love:


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UPAY4DINNER
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Thanks for having me as a guest Collin, really enjoyed it... and thanks to all who showed up and asked questions and took part :)

Edit: We finished 2nd in the $5.50 and 3rd in the $2.20 for a small profit in the end.


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Primrose6789
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Very nice! As MTT player it´s always tricky to adjust to the SnG-ranges and I did my best to get the SnG ranges out of my brain. :f_biggrin:
The new skype version sucks. Had problems too when I took coaching with Honigmund, :rage: :facepalm: the screen froze several times and after restarting skype about 5 times :rage: it worked and we could review an MTT I played. :pcuser:


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