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xuting
Joined: 07.10.2022

Hello, I play online game to kill my time.
And I addicted to baccarat recently.
I think this is not a game which depends on how lucky I am.
And I think there are some strategies to win in baccarat.

I saw the article on the website of JB casino.
It tells me not to bet on a draw, but is it a bad idea to bet on a draw?

If you’re pro at playing baccarat, please tell me what you think.
Also, welcome the beginner of baccarat to discuss with me, thank you guys!


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have moved your question to our small talk board, because it has nothing to do with poker. Beware that you are on a poker forum and I don't expect many members are playing baccarat.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Welcome to Pokerstategy, xuting. :welcome:

It is mathematically impossible to beat the house in Baccarat, so the only strategy there is would be to bet on "Banker" every time, because this is the bet with the lowest house edge. You are correct in assuming that you should not bet on "Tie", because this bet has the highest house edge by far among the three options.

If you are playing live, it is technically possible to marginally improve your odds by counting cards, but unlike in Blackjack, it will not allow you to gain an edge over the house. It will only help you to identify situations where the Player bet would have better odds than the Banker bet ("better odds" as in "losing less money in the long run"). It is cumbersome to do, though, and not worth it, since it won't allow you to beat the game anyway.

The following odds tables are taken from the website Wizard of Odds - I would link to it, but the site contains affiliate links to casinos, which would violate the forum guidelines. The tables show the expected returns for each bet in a game played with eight decks in the shoe, which is common:

If you were to play the game with a single deck, which would probably only happen in a home game setting, the odds would look like this instead:

I assume you were only half-serious when you said that you were "addicted" to Baccarat. If not, I would strongly recommend getting this in check, because a genuine addiction to casino games can result in a big mess. Not trying to be preachy here, I'm just speaking from experience.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

If there aren't any good movies about a gambling game with players beating it, chances are it's not beatable.

Live, Phil Ivey crushed casinos at baccarat. That's because the decks were imperfect and he was watching the corners of the cards and knew (or guessed) what cards were likely to come. He probably had other strategies - like folding his cards a certain way that could leave some kind of a mark. All of this was allowed in the casinos, at least at the time. Anyway, the casinos sued him and somehow won the case, even though Ivey didn't break any rules.

I'm almost certain you can't beat baccarat online, or any other game a part of poker or spots betting. Just play against dumb people and not against the rigged software and you will be fine =)


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rabbitek
Joined: 25.12.2009

I am a beginner now. I need some good tips.


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akku84
Joined: 09.07.2017

I've been playing baccarat for a while and can share some tips. You're right that it's not just about luck; there are strategies involved. One key tip is to avoid betting on a draw. The odds are much lower for a draw, and most experienced players stick to betting on the banker or player, as these have better odds.

When I started, I found it helpful to practice on sites that offer bonuses. For example, these casinos give €10 free, which can be a great way to try out strategies without risking your own money.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by akku84
I've been playing baccarat for a while and can share some tips. You're right that it's not just about luck; there are strategies involved. One key tip is to avoid betting on a draw. The odds are much lower for a draw, and most experienced players stick to betting on the banker or player, as these have better odds.

I know only the principles of the game.
From my limited knowledge, there are no plays where the odds favour the player — is that not correct?


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
From my limited knowledge, there are no plays where the odds favour the player — is that not correct?

Well, feel free to check out the charts that I posted above about two years ago, when the thread was started.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
From my limited knowledge, there are no plays where the odds favour the player — is that not correct?

Well, feel free to check out the charts that I posted above about two years ago, when the thread was started.

Thanks! I couldn't remember where I had read that.

Originally posted by Harrier88 in https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=3343878#post3343878
It is mathematically impossible to beat the house in Baccarat, so the only strategy there is would be to bet on "Banker" every time, because this is the bet with the lowest house edge.

And that is the piece of information I had filed away.
Another interesting thing to look at would be streaks — how long could a player sustain a string of wins such that it would be possible to win over a 3-, 4- or 5-hour session?

It might be possible to generate a chart similar to https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/
However, I don't really think that it is worth my time, since I would never play the game anyway.


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bigdog63
Joined: 24.10.2011

I find it hard to believe that any legal business venture would have a business model which is intentionally -EV.
Having said that, I hear that there are winning strategies for sale for roulette


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by bigdog63
I find it hard to believe that any legal business venture would have a business model which is intentionally -EV.

The old joke is "I lose a dollar on every sale, but I make it up in volume".

The point though, is that to get people to actually play the game, there needs to be an expectation of winning. That expectation isn't there long-term with any casino game. Poker has a level of skill, and can be long term +EV. Same with sports betting. There are people that study the games enough to be able to profit long-term.


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