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Wednesday Trivia (1): What club founded in 1892 has this miserable set of achievements considering they have been in existence for 119 years.

Clue: The last year they won a league title was 1927 (lmfao) and since i am in a good mood today i will give a 2nd clue which is just a give away to the answer really.They won the Sheriff of London Charity Shield in 1907,a competition that is at the top of every "top" football clubs priorities.

Answers on a postcards please folk.Winner gets a Blue Peter badge sent to them.

European

Inter-Cities Fairs Cup 1:
1969
UEFA Intertoto Cup 1:
2006
Anglo-Italian Cup 1:
1973

Domestic
League titles

First Division Champions 4:
1904–05, 1906–07, 1908–09, 1926–27
Football League Championship / Second Division Champions 3:
1964–65, 1992–93, 2009–10
Northern League Champions 3:
1902–03, 1903–04, 1904–05

Cups

FA Cup 6:
1910, 1924, 1932, 1951, 1952, 1955
FA Community Shield 1:
1909
FA Youth Cup 2:
1962, 1985

Other honours

Kirin Cup 1:
1983
Texaco Cup 2:
1974, 1975
Sheriff of London Charity Shield 1:
1907

Teresa Herrera Trophy 1:
2010

Aston Villa European Champions 1982

Undefeated (EPL) 2011/2012


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@1984ioc, Re:Wednesday Trivia (1), Accrington Stanley?


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Originally posted by MarkQuick
@1984ioc, Re:Wednesday Trivia (1), Accrington Stanley?

Accrington Stanley, who are they?!


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Originally posted by MarkQuick
@1984ioc, Re:Wednesday Trivia (1), Accrington Stanley?

Close but no cigar.You are at least on the right track Mark in fairness.The club which is the answer is of a similar size to Accrington and their modern day standard of football is identical.Great attempt though Mark. ;)


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Originally posted by MarkQuick
@1984ioc, Re:Wednesday Trivia (1), Accrington Stanley?

Close but no cigar.You are at least on the right track Mark in fairness.The club which is the answer is of a similar size to Accrington and their modern day standard of football is identical.Great attempt though Mark. ;)

haha.

when the villa get 45k fans in the championship (where you're surely headed this year) I'll start to worry about being called a 'small club'.


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Originally posted by MarkQuick
@1984ioc, Re:Wednesday Trivia (1), Accrington Stanley?

Accrington Stanley, who are they?!

Exactly! :)


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Originally posted by DannyG13

Originally posted by MarkQuick
@1984ioc, Re:Wednesday Trivia (1), Accrington Stanley?

Accrington Stanley, who are they?!

Exactly! :)

Brilliant,had completely forgotten about that add.

Aston Villa European Champions 1982

Undefeated (EPL) 2011/2012


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Originally posted by 1984ioc

Originally posted by MarkQuick
@1984ioc, Re:Wednesday Trivia (1), Accrington Stanley?

Close but no cigar.You are at least on the right track Mark in fairness.The club which is the answer is of a similar size to Accrington and their modern day standard of football is identical.Great attempt though Mark. ;)

haha.

when the villa get 45k fans in the championship (where you're surely headed this year) I'll start to worry about being called a 'small club'.

Capacity at Villa Park is just under 43,000 Marc so very clever of u to say when "villa get 45k fans in the championship".You really are showing signs of desperation now mate though i can understand that as any follower of NUFC must have self esteem issues.

Would love to share Villa's experience of how they were supported in the lower leagues but as they have never been outside the top tier in my lifetime i am afraid i would only be lying if i came up with some stories.

I am not surprised at Newcastle getting such high attendences in the Championship as who could blame the supporters for finally wanting to see their team having chances in winning games after a year of being thrashed up and down the country by the big boys.

European Champions 1982

Undefeated (EPL) 2011/2012


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Trip down memory lane.Great atmosphere at the game that day ;)


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Originally posted by MarkQuick

Originally posted by Waiboy

Originally posted by MarkQuick
@Waiboy, is at as bad as what Steve Tew makes out? Thoughts mate.

Yes and no. :f_p:

There are obvious issues with the IRB model regarding restrictions on RWC advertising... whether they're easily overcome - somehow I doubt it. I feel pretty comfortable right now in saying the ONLY way the ABs won't be at the next world cup is if the IRB ban them for winning too often.

Tew's using standard rhetoric to make what is a valid point. TBH given our total reliance on sponsorship to retain players in NZ and our (relative in)ability to ratchet up that revenue, we're probably in a somewhat unique position. It's just another factor determining when/if we have to begin moving to a somewhat less palatable position of having to pick players from European/Japanese competitions to the detriment of our domestic game.

Picking players form Europe surely wouldn't harm your domestic rugby? You may even learn to scrummage.

The problem is, if players are playing in Europe or Japan, they aren't playing in NZ, and that IS a problem if you want to watch them turning out for the Chiefs or Waikato of a random day in the week. You only need read a couple of press releases around the last few signings by the NZRU before the RWC to get a feel how important the union feel having these guys playing for domestic crowds/television audiences is. Our deal with Newscorp would take a hammering if we couldn't keep players playing Super Rugby, and that is the start of the end for our All Black production line. Sure, it won't be an overnight thing, but it is pretty easy to see that NZ becomes more and more like other small countries losing players to wealthier unions. Not unlike Samoa and co have to deal with at the moment. Not commenting on the rights and wrongs of it, but obviously the NZRU have to take a position on the issue for their own benefit. Probably it's a reality we'll have to face in the future, but the longer it takes the better.

There must be a way to find a happy medium, even if teams don't make a huge amount of money, they shouldn't be expected to lose money by playing at the world cup??

Not as it stands, at least I can't see a decent way. IF rugby becomes more global and therefore starts to approach the sort of incomes sports organisations like FIFA do, then maybe they can distribute funds on a far more profitable basis for teams taking part. With the game being such a tiny blip on the global sports radar I can't see what other options present themselves.

I have to wonder how us Brits earned the whinging pom tag? As all I ever hear is Ozzies/Kiwis bleating and moaning; 'rule change this, scrummage that, Northern Hem rugby is boring..' Come on lads you're starting to sound like the old dears on the bingo bus...

I don't have to wonder how you earned the tag, but I can agree that NZ has jumped on the band wagon (we haven't had any 'grab yourself stuff in the great English looting spree 'cause we is disaffected' riots recently which means we've still got some way to go).

One of the sad facts is that as time goes on Kiwis are very much becoming a 'what's in it for us' culture, rather than our historical 'bugger it, lets just get on with it' attitude. I think there is an undercurrent of reversion from some of our sports people, but they're fighting a losing battle. Lets be honest though, in the vast majority of the 90s Northern Hemisphere rugby was freaking horrible. I don't think though that stylistic differences are really a point to get upset about. One of my favourite games was back around '01 in a tri nations game we beat SA 12 - 6. That match was the definition of brutality.


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@Waiboy

Hope you are enjoying the WC anyway,hope u appreciate having it on your doorstep.Few Qs if u don't mind.

Are some of the teams losing money by attending the WC?I know a few of the teams like Russia are budgeting alot but if it's true that some teams are actually losing money then it's an absolute disgrace.I know tv times aren't the best for the NH market but surely they must be high enough to for the IRB to cover teams expenses etc.

If u look at the Heiniken Cup in Europe then it shows that rugby can be a very profitable market.Rugby in the professional era is a superb game and the IRB have to continue to spread the game and help the emerging countries in their quest to become 1st/2nd tier teams(whatever way u look at it).Looking at teams like Georgia,Romania,USA and Canada u can see the hunger in them to improve.

How has the atmosphere been in NZ so far.Do ye see it as a success or more of a drain on public money.Surely the long term gains will outstrip the short term expenses etc.I know the knock out stages will define the tournament but from what i have seen so far it seems like a massive success besides some of the smaller nations getting fucked over by little rest time during games but the WC is 6 weeks long as it is and that is long enough.

PS see u in the final ;-)


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Originally posted by 1984ioc
@Waiboy

Hope you are enjoying the WC anyway,hope u appreciate having it on your doorstep.

It's been awesome. I've been volunteering at Eden Park so I've been/will be at all games there bar the final... only really get time to watch the last 10 mins of each match but it's been a load of fun. Volunteered because I'm pretty sure it's a once in a lifetime opportunity for me to get involved directly.

Few Qs if u don't mind.

Are some of the teams losing money by attending the WC?I know a few of the teams like Russia are budgeting alot but if it's true that some teams are actually losing money then it's an absolute disgrace.I know tv times aren't the best for the NH market but surely they must be high enough to for the IRB to cover teams expenses etc.

They lose the ability to get maximum value from their team sponsors. If teams could promote their sponsors on the biggest stage in the game, that sponsorship would be worth substantially more. The NZRU say that 'lost' additional revenue would be ~$13 million (I assume NZD but could be USD - not clear from the comment I've heard to date).

The IRB take all the sponsorship and television revenue and a portion of the ticket revenue (from memory, but I think that's correct) generated by the RWC. They then use that revenue to fund every aspect of the global game they're involved in for the next four years, as it is their sole source of income. The problem comes where you have the NZRU struggling to run, if you'll excuse the pun, in the black, not being able to maximise their sponsorship dollars and not getting much back from the IRB in terms of funding over the following four years (as they're a tier one nation).

If the game gets bigger, then the IRB can look at distributing more back to unions as their television and sponsorship deals start to become lucrative. At the moment the game is still to small a player on the global stage to really be profitable. The tournament being held in NZ obviously curtails the IRBs ability to get top dollar from TV revenues and ticket sales as well.

How has the atmosphere been in NZ so far.Do ye see it as a success or more of a drain on public money.Surely the long term gains will outstrip the short term expenses etc.I know the knock out stages will define the tournament but from what i have seen so far it seems like a massive success besides some of the smaller nations getting fucked over by little rest time during games but the WC is 6 weeks long as it is and that is long enough.

Atmosphere pre tourney was pretty negative due to media finding trivial stories to beat up. In the week leading up that all turned around as the team support kicked in to high gear - then the media stopped pushing so hard to beat up bad news stories as they could see that the general populous didn't give a stuff about them and had gone totally gaga for the RWC.

There have been attempts to point out the size of the loss, but given the huge upswing in ticket sales (due in no small part to that outstanding opening weekend and more than a few crazy Irish fans selling out their easier games post Aussie bashing) the loss will be substantially lower than that forecast pre tournament. For all involved it should be a win, although there will no doubt be a ton of negative press about it once the loss has been crystallised.

A six week tournament is perfect, the solution to the scheduling comes with the tier two teams becoming competitive. When you don't have to schedule the big teams on the weekend games to guarantee maximum $$$ return the schedule will become fairer. I think Japan in 2019 is the first chance they'll have for this, assuming a further incremental showing from those tier two nations in 2015.

PS see u in the final ;)

I hope so - that final matchup would easily make this the best RWC ever, if it isn't already. I can easily see the rugby world just going nuts over it and it probably makes rugby Ireland's national sport. :f_p:


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@Waiboy Glad to hear u are enjoying it and fair play for getting involved.Even though u might only get 10 mins to watch its worth it overall to experience a few match days and all that comes with it.It was in the news here about the choir groups who do the anthems not allowed to stay and watch the game after they sung.Didn't get full story so might only be at a few of the stadiums/big matches.

I think the IRB could learn a few things off FIFA (can't believe i just said that) with regards to maximising income from big events.I know rugby isn't anywhere as big on a global stage as footy but the target audience is still huge when u add it all up.I really hope Japan and Eastern Europe take off though i know this will take time.The WC in Japan could be huge and a turning point for rugby in general.That should be a key date for the IRB and maybe they are right in distributing most of their money to emerging nations though technically this is unfair and not the usual route sports take.Cricket is trying its hardest to do the opposite and Ireland are at the other end of the stick in this matter.If only the IRB swapped with the ICC for a while.

Once the WC is over i think the residents of NZ will miss it and if they win it then the knock on effects will be enormous.

Sticking by my Q/F and S/F predictions.Only thing that bothers me is the French.I just don't trust them at all and for them to reach the quarters so quietly and off the radar will only suit them more.Never write them off.They have caused me alot of pain over the years as well (Henry and all that) so i always have an eye on them.

Great performace by Samoa today,was really impressed with their play and backs and if they knew how to finish off moves then SA could have been in real trouble.England to win tom.I suspect a heroic Scottish performance in defeat but if u can't score trys then why even bother turning up for the tournament.The bile and sledging on the BBC website between the fans is amazing but it all adds to the occasion i guess.


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Predictions.

Everton 3-1 Liverpool, 12:45
Aston Villa 2-0 Wigan, 15:00
Blackburn 1-3 Man City, 15:00
Man Utd 4-0 Norwich, 15:00
Sunderland 1-1 West Brom, 15:00
Wolverhampton 3-0 Newcastle, 15:00

Sunday, 2 October 2011

Bolton 1-2 Chelsea, 13:30
Fulham 1-1QPR, 15:00
Swansea 1-2 Stoke, 15:00
Tottenham 3-2 Arsenal, 16:00


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@ Waiboy PS Off topic not sure if you are into your electronic music but recently introduced to a NZ Drum and Bass band called Shapeshifter.

:f_love: :f_love: :f_love:


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Originally posted by 1984ioc
Predictions.

Everton 3-1 Liverpool, 12:45
Aston Villa 2-0 Wigan, 15:00
Blackburn 1-3 Man City, 15:00
Man Utd 4-0 Norwich, 15:00
Sunderland 1-1 West Brom, 15:00
Wolverhampton 3-0 Newcastle, 15:00

Sunday, 2 October 2011

Bolton 1-2 Chelsea, 13:30
Fulham 1-1QPR, 15:00
Swansea 1-2 Stoke, 15:00
Tottenham 3-2 Arsenal, 16:00

Predictions.

Everton 1-1 Liverpool, 12:45
Aston Villa 1-2 Wigan, 15:00
Blackburn 2-1 Man City, 15:00
Man Utd 1-1Norwich, 15:00
Sunderland 1- 0 West Brom, 15:00
Wolverhampton 1- 2 Newcastle, 15:00

Sunday, 2 October 2011

Bolton 1-3 Chelsea, 13:30
Fulham 2-1QPR, 15:00
Swansea 1-0 Stoke, 15:00
Tottenham 2-2 Arsenal, 16:00


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Originally posted by 1984ioc
@Waiboy Glad to hear u are enjoying it and fair play for getting involved.Even though u might only get 10 mins to watch its worth it overall to experience a few match days and all that comes with it.It was in the news here about the choir groups who do the anthems not allowed to stay and watch the game after they sung.Didn't get full story so might only be at a few of the stadiums/big matches.

I think the IRB could learn a few things off FIFA (can't believe i just said that) with regards to maximising income from big events.I know rugby isn't anywhere as big on a global stage as footy but the target audience is still huge when u add it all up.I really hope Japan and Eastern Europe take off though i know this will take time.The WC in Japan could be huge and a turning point for rugby in general.That should be a key date for the IRB and maybe they are right in distributing most of their money to emerging nations though technically this is unfair and not the usual route sports take.Cricket is trying its hardest to do the opposite and Ireland are at the other end of the stick in this matter.If only the IRB swapped with the ICC for a while.

Once the WC is over i think the residents of NZ will miss it and if they win it then the knock on effects will be enormous.

Sticking by my Q/F and S/F predictions.Only thing that bothers me is the French.I just don't trust them at all and for them to reach the quarters so quietly and off the radar will only suit them more.Never write them off.They have caused me alot of pain over the years as well (Henry and all that) so i always have an eye on them.

Great performace by Samoa today,was really impressed with their play and backs and if they knew how to finish off moves then SA could have been in real trouble.England to win tom.I suspect a heroic Scottish performance in defeat but if u can't score trys then why even bother turning up for the tournament.The bile and sledging on the BBC website between the fans is amazing but it all adds to the occasion i guess.

Go on Tonga!! What a result, setting up a great weekend of rugby.

The England game is dire I cant watch. I'm looking forward to the Ireland v Italy match. Should be a battle up front, I don't know what to make of the O'Gara selection? Great kicking from hand, but not defensively minded at all surely the Italians will hammer the 10/12 channel, could that prove to be Ireland's downfall?


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Hopefully Newcastle can stay undefeated today and Kelvin Henry doesnt get too close to Ben Arfa's legs :)


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Saturday, 1 October 2011:

Australia 68 - 22 (47 - 5) Russia
Tries:

Barnes 2, Mitchell 2, McCalman, Pocock 2, Moore, Ashley-Cooper, Ma'afu

Tries:

Ostroushko, Simplikevich, Rachkov

Drop-goals:

Rachkov

Conversions:

O'Connor 9

Conversions:

Rachkov 2

France 14 - 19 (6 - 13) Tonga

Tries:
Clerc

Tries Tonga:

Hufanga
Penalties:
Yachvili 3 Penalties:
Morath 4
Conversions:
Morath

Friday, 30 September 2011:

South Africa 13 - 5 (13 - 0) Samoa

Tries:

Habana Tries:
Stowers
Penalties:
Steyn, Steyn
Conversions:
Steyn

News Round-Up:

• World Cup organisers are really sinking their teeth into players who dare disobey strict sponsorship guidelines. Samoa winger Alesana Tuilagi was caught wearing a branded mouthguard during his side's Polynesian crunch match against Fiji and was fined NZ$10,000 (£4,900) for his trouble.
• The French squad were outraged by Friday's front page of the New Zealand Herald which pictured flanker Julien Bonnaire with his hands pushing into Richie McCaw's face, suspiciously near his eye socket. The completely unprovocative headline read: 'We're too clean, claim French'.
• The world's three most famous aphrodisiacs: oysters, champagne - and an All Blacks victory. A survey claims 96 per cent of Kiwi fans plan on bedroom antics if New Zealand win the World Cup, while 66 per cent are having sex more often as a result of the tournament. 'Obviously we want Kiwis to get the most out of it - whether at the game or in the bedroom,'
• Meet the nicest fan at the World Cup. Mechanic Malcolm Reid gave up his only ticket to help a Welsh supporter who was stranded when his hire car broke down. Reid sacrificed his seat to France v Canada and cooked the fan dinner while his car was fixed. The good Samaritan has since become a local celebrity and been sent muffins, pies and flowers, along with a quarter-final ticket.


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Originally posted by pleno1
Hopefully Newcastle can stay undefeated today and Kelvin Henry doesnt get too close to Ben Arfa's legs :)

Kelvin 'Sunday League' Henry, makes Robbie Savage look like Zinedine.


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