[NL2-NL10] MSS Nl25 JJ flop

    • Jehryn
      Jehryn
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      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      Play hand

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      MP1:
      $14.17
      MP2:
      $28.25
      MP3:
      $25.00
      CO:
      $25.80
      BU:
      $25.00
      SB (Hero):
      $12.07
      BB:
      $25.30
      UTG1:
      $33.30
      UTG2:
      $24.67


      Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J.
      UTG1 raises to $0.85, UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $0.85, 2 folds, CO calls $0.85, BU folds, Hero calls $0.75, BB calls $0.60.

      Flop: ($4.25) 4, 7, 2 (5 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, UTG1 checks, MP1 bets $2.10, CO calls $2.10, Hero raises to $11.22(All-In), BB folds, UTG1 folds, MP1 calls $9.12, CO folds.

      Turn: ($28.79) Q (2 players)


      River: ($28.79) 8 (2 players)


      Final Pot: $28.79.

      Results follow:

      Hero shows a pair of jacks(Jc Jh).
      MP1 shows a pair of aces(Ac Ad).

      MP1 wins with a pair of aces(Ac Ad).

      UTG 50/21
      MP3 78/7
      CO 14/11

      I find it most difficult to play hand like these with the MSS strategy. Since it was an UTG raise and there are 2 callers I obviously can't 3bet, but I do get very nice odds to call for setmining.

      Now on the flop I don't really know what to do. I have a strong overpair and since no one 3betted I should be ahead barring a flopped set. But since it is a multi-way hand I'm very leery of putting all my money in the middle with just JJ. So I decide to check and see what the action is. Since the UTG checks and the 78/7 raises and the tight nit only calls I shove it when it get's returned to me

      Should I play this differently? I can't really justify folding an overpair on a dry pair just because someone could have slowplayed QQ+ (sets are off course a worry...)mmm
  • 9 replies
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      UTG1 plays 50/20

      What does that tell you about his range? Hint: Use pokerstove or equilab for it


      - Gerv
    • Jehryn
      Jehryn
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      Joined: 15.04.2008 Posts: 678
      Well off course I'm ahead EV wise with 64% but I'm hesitant about the 4-way action. reraising means i'm pot committed on pretty much any flop which doesn't sound good with JJ
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by Jehryn
      Well off course I'm ahead EV wise with 64% but I'm hesitant about the 4-way action. reraising means i'm pot committed on pretty much any flop which doesn't sound good with JJ
      WEll if you call you are guaranteed 4way but I was saying with 50/20:
      * What is his 20% range?
      * What is his likely calling range versus your squeeze (and thus also folding range)
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Bump!
    • LetchLord
      LetchLord
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      Joined: 20.03.2009 Posts: 1,353
      Hi Gerv,

      Since the open poster is not posting, I was wondering what would be the correct move here, given the action before us.

      Is it an option to push directly against loose player opening fromt UTG, calling station and a tight player that most likely calls with some drawing hand in position? I am not scared that someone dominates us in this spot, but it will be difficult to play JJ post flop if we just 3-bet, as it's likely we may get more than 1 caller.

      Thanks in advance,
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      I think you can go to $4 or shove yes. Problem with shoving is that it may be interpreted as very strong and that means he only calls with better hands than you.
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      Originally posted by Gerv
      I think you can go to $4 or shove yes. Problem with shoving is that it may be interpreted as very strong and that means he only calls with better hands than you.
      Or they think you shove AK and call with 88-TT because it looks bluffy :f_p:

      What do you think Gerv, how unbalanced can we play at low stakes?
      I mean 3betting $4 QQ+ and shoving TT-JJ, AK OOP for instance.

      In this spot with 2 possible fish, I think shoving is the easiest and fish will call AT+ anyway. TT-JJ is a pain playing OOP (multi-way).

      T.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      People can't handread&probably don't take notes on <100NL so we can play 100% unbalanced for EV(max)



      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • Tampaloeres81
      Tampaloeres81
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      Joined: 08.03.2009 Posts: 1,416
      ty :f_biggrin: