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[Closed] NL 100 KQ against midstack (hate 'em)

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$0.5/$1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]SB$206.65:///////;BB (Hero)$107.00:///////;MP2$100.00:///////;MP3$101.50:///////;CO$50.20:///////;BU$51.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BB with K:h, Q:s.
2 folds, CO raises to $3.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.00.

Flop: ($6.5) K:c, 5:h, J:h (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00.

Turn: ($14.5) 6:c (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10.00, Hero calls $10.00.

River: ($34.5) 8:c (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $34.5.

Villan is 14/12, 33% steal from CO (9 samples), folded once to cbet and that's all I got on him.
I have no freaking idea how to play such types of hands against midstacks. Are they ever semibluffing? I dunno how they think :f_cry:
3b/fold pre? Call flop but fold turn?


3 replies
Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Its close as he seems rather tight - you could as well fold this since you will be dominated and oop.

However, calling is not a big mistake imo, since he is in late pos. Once you call, I play it the same way. You can hardly call and then fold flop with tpgk. Same on the turn - he can easily play the same with KT or Ax :heart: or QTs.

Main thing is not to generalise midstackers (or any plrs, rlly). Just go by their stats and your reads and try not to create a one-size-fits all approach.

As I say, you can find a fold vs a 12 pfr guy, but vs 20 pfr I would be fine with this play. And dont beat yourself up just cos you get to the river and get shown a better hand - you are not a mindreader ;)


yea but i wanna be


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Against him I'd either fold or 3bet preflop.

Board:
       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     51.39%  49.28%   2.11% { 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, A7o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
BB     48.61%  46.49%   2.11% { KQo }

Above I gave him a range, it makes up for roughly 25% of hands which is probably a good approximation for his range.

Against this we have less than 50% equity. Even worse: we're OOP. So we'll c/f oftentimes on smth like a Thigh flop when we still have equity against his range.
And once we hit TP we're basically guaranteed to be all in - but there are usually not too many worse hands stacking off.

A 3bet/fold preflop is an option, but it's still very close - since we're OOP I rather just fold:
If we make it $11 he has to fold 10/14.5 = ~69% of the time.
If he continues with a range like {99+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,ATo+,KQo} (8.5%) he's folding 17/25 = 68% of the time.
Of course he might even fold ATs and ATo to our 3bet, but it's still very close - we'll be able to pick up the pot on quite some boards, but at the same we'll be AI vs AQ and AK on K high and A high boards, so it's probably around 0EV postflop as well.
Since everything is that close and we're OOP I'd rather just fold pre.

As played you see one of the problems that emerge from calling preflop - you hit one of the best flops you can expect and you're still bluffcatching.
I like to c/c flop & turn as well because there are not that many draws in the opponents range and he can easily bet the turn for free SD with something like JT+, but once the FD and straightdraw bust I'd lead the river for $26 in the hope of getting a curious call from some Jx or weaker Kx that suspect we have one of those busted draws.