[Closed] PLO25 - Questions about req. equity to shove w/example hand

I'm sure he thinks you're betting wider than A4 here so yes I would be calling his shove on this flop. KK with diamonds certainly makes a lot of sense. He could also have something like QQ66 with diamonds where he is bluffing with blockers.

Also could be something like A :club:K :diamond:Q :diamond:5

If I didn't have diamond redraw i'm probably folding the turn, but with the redraw, even though I often expect for villain to show up here with 64 I think i'm still calling.

The reason is, if we call, it's a smallish mistake in this spot when wrong. But if we incorrectly fold, it's a huge mistake.

At the time there is a fair chance I might also fold given certain reads, but in hindsight it does make a lot of sense to call. Don't beat yourself up too much about this play, I think a lot of players would have done the same as you.

Villain potraises me, but I will be committed if I call as there'll be 4$ behind on the river. Does that mean I "pretend" that he shoved as if it was NL as calling and playing a river isn't an option?

Yes, definitely. One thing to note is that shoving the turn yourself is better than calling and checking the river as if you are never folding any river, and he is never folding any turn, the only possible negative outcome of you checking the river is that he checks behind a hand worse than yours and we don't want that to happen.

He has me covered, so I need to put in 21.70 more to win 35$ the pot has now + the 27$ he is putting in once I shove. 21.70/(35+27) = ~35% that number look about right?

Your math is spot on. An easy way to calculate these spots is to look at the starting stacks. Start with whoever has the smallest stack of you and your opponent and double it (that's you two all-in) then add any additional money added to the pot (blinds, people who call pre and fold later, etc -- in this case it would be $0.85 from the BTN and $0.25 from the BB). Then to work out your odds it's just how much you have to call / the amount you just worked out. You've probably got this down pat though since you came up with the correct figures in your post.

In terms of whether or not to get it in I absolutely get it in. KK + diamonds is a combination you are ahead of but he might also play another A4 like this or some other silly hand he misplayed.

Originally posted by GodlikeRoy
An easy way to calculate these spots is to look at the starting stacks. Start with whoever has the smallest stack of you and your opponent and double it (that's you two all-in) then add any additional money added to the pot (blinds, people who call pre and fold later, etc -- in this case it would be $0.85 from the BTN and $0.25 from the BB).

Wow thanks for the tip!

I do the same, but I don't count the blinds because I compensate for the rake.

2 sweet tips in quick succession, WIN