Tilllltt!

Not many stories to tell...this is standard and happens weekly/monthly to alot of players (depending on volume). It's just a case of "same sh*t different month", just part of the game

As for how long it lasts, thats not possible to answer, short term results are just a random variable and anything can happen for an unspecified period of time. It's not until the long term that anything can be/is defined definitivly.

Personal record 11 000$ under EV over 40 000 hands, NL200-NL400, some NL1k.

I think I should clarify - I know it's part of the game totally - I'm completely happy with it.

I basically want to set-up a space to stop myself tilting by actually LETTING people tell bad beat stories. It's a light at the end of the tunnel thing basically.

So it's kind of already happy that down-swings happen, I know it - I wanna hear about it!

So yesterday I shove my AA vs 88 and the guy gets a straight. I didn't have the time for anything except say "pffff..." because the very next hand I get KK. But there was no time to refill my stack and I have 0.02$! And the same guy raises again! I slam down my mouse, curse a couple of times and push my 2 cents all in. KK vs QQ. He gets the Q on the flop and takes 0.02$ more from me. I felt sooo good! Because had I the time to refill the stack and lost 2BI's in 2 hands due to suckouts... I'd probably rage quit for the day, steam for a couple of minutes around the house and then just go do something else. Go out and have some coffee with friends, make a sandwich, watch a movie or some stand up comedy... and a couple of hours later I would be ready to crush the game again. I have slightly over 40BI's right now, I'm waiting for a bit more to move up the stakes so a couple of BI's bad day when it happens is not giving me any issues.

I think good BRM is great for reducing the tilt, because when you look at it - you can still keep playing normally even if some bad days happen.

Originally posted by conquistadorrr
So yesterday I shove my AA vs 88 and the guy gets a straight. I didn't have the time for anything except say "pffff..." because the very next hand I get KK. But there was no time to refill my stack and I have 0.02$! And the same guy raises again! I slam down my mouse, curse a couple of times and push my 2 cents all in. KK vs QQ. He gets the Q on the flop and takes 0.02$ more from me. I felt sooo good! Because had I the time to refill the stack and lost 2BI's in 2 hands due to suckouts... I'd probably rage quit for the day, steam for a couple of minutes around the house and then just go do something else. Go out and have some coffee with friends, make a sandwich, watch a movie or some stand up comedy... and a couple of hours later I would be ready to crush the game again. I have slightly over 40BI's right now, I'm waiting for a bit more to move up the stakes so a couple of BI's bad day when it happens is not giving me any issues.

I think good BRM is great for reducing the tilt, because when you look at it - you can still keep playing normally even if some bad days happen.

If one bad beat already tilt you so much, you should really work on your mindset.

SH/FR is suppose the one with the least variance, aka which leads to tilt. If you can't handle it, work on it or quit poker.

Wait until you see the variance of heads up games, especially hypers.

This thread may have been a mistake =P

Originally posted by Thebridgedoc
So there we are. I know my luck'll turn around but until then... tell me your stories

Back on topic.

This is totally WRONG. Believing that after several downswings an upswing will come is WRONG, and vice versa. Variance is infinite and endless. Upswing and downswings are part of the variance.

Originally posted by ragney

Originally posted by Thebridgedoc
So there we are. I know my luck'll turn around but until then... tell me your stories

Back on topic.

This is totally WRONG. Believing that after several downswings an upswing will come is WRONG, and vice versa. Variance is infinite and endless. Upswing and downswings are part of the variance.

That is why you have to do everything you can to eliminate luck factor from the game as much as you can.

I know - I studied physics an know how random chance works - just it's equally stupid to assume I'm in a perpetual down-swing

Originally posted by Thebridgedoc
I know - I studied physics an know how random chance works - just it's equally stupid to assume I'm in a perpetual down-swing

Upswing, downswing, break-even all meaningless.

In the end, there is only one hand, and that is the one in front of you.

Regardless of what went before, or what may come, you must play that one hand correctly.

In that hand, there are four possible advantages.

• Card advantage
• Position advantage
• Stack size advantage
• Skill advantage

In the long run the cards work out the same for everyone.
Everyone gets to play each position in turn.
The stack size just is what it is.
The ONLY one of those that you control is your skill level.
Your poker skill encompasses your knowledge of the game, your experience, your physical condition and your mental state.
Building skill requires attitude and effort.
Although there may be some in-born talents that make a good poker player, I believe that attitude and effort are the only two things you bring to the game -- besides a wad of cash of course.

Since attitude and effort are required to gain skill and experience, that is what we need to work on. Putting in effort to study the game, with all the material available to you here will inevitably lead to long-term success however you define it.

This applies to ANYTHING that you do of course, but poker is more difficult to master because of the continuous assault on your attitude cause by losses, and to a lesser extent by wins.

Sorry for the rant,
--VS

I'll be honest - I just wanted to be light-hearted here and get a couple of stories. I know that the object is to play each hand optimally and try and minimise variance. I have a feeling I may have created a monster =P

@ VorpalF2F - excellent statement all of it being so true, it sounds like youve managed to master the mental side of the game which i think is the biggest part essentially like you say you can be the most skillfull player in the world but its no good if you tilt easily and lose your mindset and play badly. What game type/limits are you playing?

tbh the best I find to deal with bad beats, setups and other big pot losses is just to forget about them. I mean take a note on the bad play from the opponent if it is relevant, note your mistake so you don't do it again but the result is irrelevant.

be happy

Thazar

just saw that as well: Bad Beat thread

Originally posted by grindshaft
@ VorpalF2F - excellent statement all of it being so true, it sounds like youve managed to master the mental side of the game which i think is the biggest part essentially like you say you can be the most skillfull player in the world but its no good if you tilt easily and lose your mindset and play badly. What game type/limits are you playing?

Thanks,
Although I can put into words, I have a tough time putting into action.
I did well at NL 10, but had a disastrous shot at NL 25.
I didn't lose much money -- just a lot of confidence.

I'm currently back playing NL 2 FR, intending to move back up the limits.
It is not going well, though, because I get so impatient.

Cheers,
--VS

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by grindshaft
@ VorpalF2F - excellent statement all of it being so true, it sounds like youve managed to master the mental side of the game which i think is the biggest part essentially like you say you can be the most skillfull player in the world but its no good if you tilt easily and lose your mindset and play badly. What game type/limits are you playing?

Thanks,
Although I can put into words, I have a tough time putting into action.
I did well at NL 10, but had a disastrous shot at NL 25.
I didn't lose much money -- just a lot of confidence.

I'm currently back playing NL 2 FR, intending to move back up the limits.
It is not going well, though, because I get so impatient.

Cheers,
--VS

There is a huge gap between nl10 and nl25. Esp on stars. The gap is pretty huge. It took me like more than half year to crush nl25 and its getting harder and harder by the day.