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gonepoker
Joined: 15.05.2009

Hey
PF: bb - recreational player,doesn't 3bet pre, so I call
Postflop - standard?

Prima, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

BB: $126.08 (126.1 bb)
MP: $101 (101 bb)
CO: $100 (100 bb)
BTN: $133.81 (133.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $104.50 (104.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 3
2 folds, BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($6) T 3 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero raises to $12, BB folds, BTN calls $7.50

Turn: ($30) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BTN calls $20

River: ($70) A (2 players)
Hero bets $70.50 and is all-in, BTN calls $70.50


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You can lead the flop as well.

The disadvantage of check raising is that you will probably check raise the BB recreational player out of the hand with A5,A4,65 gutshots and 99 or less. Some recreational players just overcall anyway though which makes a check raise better if the button has a high cbet %. If the button has a low cbet % then you will lose a bet by not leading flop and give them a free card.

I think your flop line is fine though and you can choose between the above or check raise.

In regards to sizing. The flop raise is usually about $13.50 which will set you up nicer for getting stack in by the river.

The turn bet is fine and I think standard for value/protection. He may fold overpairs on turn but probably not at 100NL. I think he should fold midpairs with a diamond but he may call them also.

The river is bad imo. You look strong when you barrel the river again so what do you expect him to call thats worse that your hand? AT maybe. So he has 32 flush combos or 23 combos if hes the type to get Axdd in on the flop vs 12 combos of maybe AT, but as you'ev sized the raises in such a way that you have a pot size bet on river, some players will hero fold AT anyway. Basically I think you should check river and fold to a bet vs most opponents.


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gonepoker
Joined: 15.05.2009

Nice post, thanks:)


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Good, thats what I'm here for.

I'm new here as well so I welcome feedback.


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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

Should we have some flushes in our checking range then vs regs?


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Your question is a question of should we balance in general. The topic of balancing or not has widely been discussed. I toyed with the idea of playing completely balanced a while back and it just doesn't work. In my opinion, your pre flop ranges are impossible to balance in such a way that you are balanced completely post flop on every board. Poker is purely a game of exploiting imo.

It is true that we become really exploitable on the river if we check fold sets and therefore from a balance argument perspective we could put in some flushes, but I don't think thats necessaries.

If we think he is bluffing river enough to the extent that we think we are being exploited, then in this scenario we now have enough equity vs his bluff hands to check call our sets. No need to put flushes into our check range to theoretically stop him bluffing river and doing that takes way too much thought time, in what is a super fast game these days.

The question is, would he turn his KK-JJ & top pair hands that he got to river into a bluff to get you off sets after you check. I very much doubt it. If hes calling turn, he thinks he has our turn bet range beat right, so why would he then turn it into a bluff on river. Especially given, I don't think anyone trys to fold anyone off of sets at any level. Therefore we are exploitable here buut no one will be exploiting us. If someone is floating turn to bet us of sets regularly, that would show up in his long term statistics for sure and we would adjust eventually. Do you really have enough faith in someones ability to do this though - its pretty fancy and imo, no one is that good to the extent that we have to worry about balancing our river ranges.


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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

I'm not too worried about getting exploited here but if you expect villain to be calling a very tight range then his shoving range probably isn't any different anyway so in that case it does make sense to me to choose a more balanced line instead.


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I think I'm not entirely sure what your asking, so I answered every way I perceived the question could be asking :)

If we think his shoving range is larger than his calling range and we get into this spot with Axs, then checking our nut flush draws is fine. Not for balance as such but just because we get more money in against worse hands so it will be more +EV.

But from the flop/pre flop, I wouldn't play to attempt to get into this spot with my nut flush draws, by playing it the same as my sets, in order to balance.

In this scenario, I think his calling range will be the same as or wider than his shoving range so I just shove the nut flushes. But that might not be true, which would make check calling better.

If your asking, would I check low flushes in this scenario as well... thats an interesting question. He is probably folding enough to bet river profitably, but if only better hands are calling, we are in essence turning our hands into a bluff, and it is more profitable to check showdown with hands that beat much of his check back range.

Its a question of what do we perceive his river range to be and what do we perceive his calling range to be as to what is best. Nothing to do with balance.


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