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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

partypoker - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 136.38 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 15)
SB: 116.62 BB (VPIP: 23.11, PFR: 18.37, 3Bet Preflop: 10.19, Hands: 542)
Hero (BB): 198.94 BB
UTG: 323 BB (VPIP: 34.25, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 150)
MP: 238.48 BB (VPIP: 11.52, PFR: 8.96, 3Bet Preflop: 2.37, Hands: 560)
CO: 317.1 BB (VPIP: 18.83, PFR: 13.02, 3Bet Preflop: 5.49, Hands: 4,949)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♣ Q♠

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) T♣ 3♥ 5♠
SB checks, Hero bets 2.84 BB, SB calls 2.84 BB

Turn: (11.68 BB, 2 players) 7♥
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (11.68 BB, 2 players) Q♦
SB bets 8.32 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, fold

Spoiler

Hero wins 26.92 BB

is it ok to raise river where he is cappt and it looks bluffy?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

PF: you can consider 3-betting here vs a 50%+ open. If he doesn't call much, just reduce your 3-bet size with your entire range. I guess if he's folding 70%+ then you should continue using a more polarized/bluff-heavy range.

River: I think he has AQ more often with this line. Ace high would often c/c Flop and then lead River after he improves. I'm not too sure this is such a good line. I seriously don't expect him to take this line with KQ/QJ/Q9 so you are isolating yourself vs QT/AQ and he folds to the raise with worse hands most of the time anyway.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by mbml
PF: you can consider 3-betting here vs a 50%+ open. If he doesn't call much, just reduce your 3-bet size with your entire range. I guess if he's folding 70%+ then you should continue using a more polarized/bluff-heavy range.

He opens BU 50% he defends 50%, and sb he opens only 20% and defends 50%. He 4bets very aggro, so I constract a range 3bet range by 77+, AQ+ which I all shove vs 4bet, and I put in some suited gappers as bluffs. Is it ok range vs unbalanced 4betor?
Which hands are the best to shove as bluff? PP have the best equity, but A2s-A5s, also KQ, AJ have the best blockers so I am not sure.

I agree with your river statement, it was a bad raise, I thought he can call some 2nd pairs since he doesnt give me much credit, but as you said his line looks like AQ.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

hmm vs 20% KQ is a clear call.

I'm not sure what you mean by 4-betting aggro, but vs a 20% range I'm not 3-betting 99-77.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by mbml
hmm vs 20% KQ is a clear call.

I'm not sure what you mean by 4-betting aggro, but vs a 20% range I'm not 3-betting 99-77.

He is tight from SB, but He opens 50% BU which is standard, but 4bets around 20% from BU. Here I have 300 hands, but my friends also played a lot vs him and has > 2k hands.

1) So if he opens 50% range, and 4bets 20%, it means that his 4bet range is 10%, and since I need around 50% FE when I bluff shove vs BU (including rake and smaller open raise size and 4bet), it means I can expect him to fold around 70% of the time (if I assume he 4bet calls TT+, AK, but I think he also calls some premiums which means he has even less combos). So TT+, AK are 46 combos, and I was thinking, is it better to bluff shove AJ, KQ which blocks 10 of his value combos, or to shove 77 which has better equity but doesnt block? Is my calcualtion correct?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

77's equity advantage is much higher and the blocking effect of KQ/AJ doesn't compensate for that I think.

Besides, you can call 4bets, there's no rule which states that you can only jam or fold. Broadways are good hands to call 4-bets with cos they play well.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

77 has 33.3% vs jj+, AK stack off range, and AJs, KQs have 29.5%.
Equity of ajs, kqs gets the same as 77 if opponent stacks off TT+, AK as many regs do.

It is true that we remove 10 combos of 46 value combos with AJ, KQ, but we also block his bluff Ax combos with this, so I am not sure if our FE gets better with blockers. I think blockers make more sense when we 4bet because opponents range is polarized so we really block only value combos?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

Wait, what's your question now?

I'm not 3-betting AJ/KQ here hoping to face a 4-bet so that I can jam. I would only 3-bet these hands if I expect to get called by worse hands (all weaker broadways, AXs, suited connectors and one-gappers etc).

It seems like you might be overly eager to just jam everything against an aggressive 4-better. You have other options like min 5betting or calling the 4-bet.


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