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This was quite a strange hand to play, opponent is (30/3) (vpip/pfr) in EP over 150 hands (no reads on 3bet frequentie). I decided to call his limp-3bet because of position. I think he will be very polarised in this position, having QQ+ and suited connectors, maybe some trash hands (he likes stealing, he could try to bluff me out the hand). He check raises all in on very dry F which is quite unusual (his cbet frequenty is 33% with small sample). I would almost never go all in with TPTK, but this player seems very fishy. He could still have some OESD, QQ or KQ with the intension of letting me fold Ax hands and MPP. His value range here is probably 77,99,KK (which even he would probably slowplay) AA, K9, 97 and AK. I think we still can profitably make this call. In my opinion I am either far ahead (more likely) or far behind.

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$0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU (Hero)$5.00:///////;SB$4.06:///////;BB$4.78:///////;UTG1$5.00:///////;UTG2$10.93:///////;MP1$9.90:///////;MP2$3.45:///////;MP3$5.54:///////;CO$9.15:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with K:d, A:d.
UTG1 calls $0.05, 5 folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, UTG1 raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.40.

Flop: ($1.27) 9:h, K:s, 7:c (2 players)
UTG1 checks, Hero bets $0.80, UTG1 raises to $4.40, Hero calls $3.60.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Did he show you AA?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I bet it was KK+.
Most of the time such villains will do this with such hands.


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he had TJo :)


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Hendrikpoewz
he had TJo :)
So a semi-bluff -- a double gutshot. Any Q or 8 gives him a straight. Such hands are well disguised.
Especially since limp/raise lines are often aces or kings.

Neat hand, and not many players have the stones to call with top pair, especially if an 8 or Q DOES come on the turn, you're drawing dead.

He has surprisingly high equity:

Board: 9♥K♠7♣
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    65.76%  65.76%   0.00% { AdKd }
MP3    34.24%  34.24%   0.00% { JTo }

This is a screenshot of Equilab's scenario analyser OTF

So you can see that except for his 8 outs you are well ahead.

But let's give him the range QQ+ plus JT and 86 (which gives him an OESD) as well as 99,77
Now your edge on the flop is still ahead, but it is so close that you really don't have the odds to call.
Here is the scenario analyser for that situation:

So now the results-oriented among us are all thinking:
Did he hit his Q or 8?

Oh -- one last question:
Was this party poker by any chance?
I've encountered the check/shove flop line several times there. The only time I ever called was with a set, and I can't remember if I won or lost.

Cheers,
VS


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Originally posted by VorpalF2F

So a semi-bluff -- a double gutshot. Any Q or 8 gives him a straight. Such hands are well disguised.
Especially since limp/raise lines are often aces or kings.
...
So now the results-oriented among us are all thinking:
Did he hit his Q or 8?
...
Oh -- one last question:
Was this party poker by any chance?
I've encountered the check/shove flop line several times there. The only time I ever called was with a set, and I can't remember if I won or lost.

Limp raises are mostly KK+ in my opinion too, it's his tricky play on the flop that got me thinking though. Also he only open raises 3 percent in EP, while in LP he is more agressive, so what would he raise with then if KK+ are limp/raises? Maybe he limp raises medium strenght hand vs 1 player and open raises the top of his range. On the other hand he can limp raise his top range to eliminate set miners in multiway pot.

He didn't hit anything, so i was glad to win a nice pot :)

It was on pokerstars, but during a zoom promotion (win hands w 72o), don't remember what dayso the player was atleast 2x what it normally is. Attracting alot of bad players and fish. If seen more than 1 player 3betting or openshoving 72o. Two days ago i had the pleisure of stacking of w AA vs 72o (60BB stack)!


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