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Noname81
Joined: 31.12.2013

Hi
In situations like this is it best to fold river and move on with the hand. I ask this because I am finding more and more donk bets from villain. Sometime villain is betting with air.

File: HH20150617 Halley #42 - $0.01-$0.02 - USD No Limit Hold'em.txt
PokerStars Zoom Hand #136828167849: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2015/06/16 23:57:26 MT [2015/06/17 1:57:26 ET]
Table 'Halley' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Non ($2 in chips)
Seat 2: Aardweasel ($2 in chips)
Seat 3: bazmeg13 ($1 in chips)
Seat 4: ELIJAHLORD ($2.25 in chips)
Seat 5: cadimabr ($1.56 in chips)
Seat 6: Snapuswipe ($2.45 in chips)
Aardweasel: posts small blind $0.01
bazmeg13: posts big blind $0.02
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to Non [Kh Ac]
ELIJAHLORD: folds
cadimabr: raises $0.05 to $0.07
Snapuswipe: folds
NonameemanoN: raises $0.13 to $0.20
Aardweasel: folds
bazmeg13: folds
cadimabr: calls $0.13
FLOP [Jc 3s 5c]
cadimabr: checks
Non: bets $0.16
cadimabr: calls $0.16
TURN [Jc 3s 5c] [3h]
cadimabr: checks
Non: checks
RIVER [Jc 3s 5c 3h] [4d]
cadimabr: bets $0.54
Non has timed out
Non: folds
Uncalled bet ($0.54) returned to cadimabr
cadimabr collected $0.72 from pot
cadimabr: doesn't show hand
SUMMARY
Total pot $0.75 | Rake $0.03
Board [Jc 3s 5c 3h 4d]
Seat 1: Non(button) folded on the River
Seat 2: Aardweasel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: bazmeg13 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ELIJAHLORD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: cadimabr collected ($0.72)
Seat 6: Snapuswipe folded before Flop (didn't bet)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You hold a bluff catcher but still I like to fold.
Do you have any stats on villain?


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Noname81
Joined: 31.12.2013

I don't have any reads on villain. Having no reads this is a fairly standard fold? I notice a lot more donking and betting vs missed c bet. It is starting to tilt me. I think understanding the proper line to take will remove the tilt.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Best way is to call with your best bluff catchers and fold the worst. It doesn't matter much in terms of hand strength with wich bluff catchers you call, but it is easier to get the correct calling frequency to prevent you from being run over. This here is a fold because you have nothing. Call with most or all pairs of jacks. Calling more is a judgement and pot odds question.

Another thing to do is to check back some stronger hands on turn. On this board it is okay to check back a pretty strong jack, partly to induce bluffs, but also to make a (small) value bet OTR that might be looked up by pocket pairs (if he checks). The downside is that you might give a free card to beat you. (But you can't both eat the cookie and still have it:D)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Would you call here with TT-99?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I did a little guessing using Equilab (not for equity, just to be able to "see" my range). It looks like TT is a call and 99 is a fold, but this is for my personal range (I do often 3-bet these hands and KJ kind of stuff, that I probably check back turn with.) Any read can make both of these hands a call or a fold I think. This would be the "wrong" answer for someone elses range. Most don't even have QJ to check back turn here. A tight player might have AK and TT/99 only in this spot (he might coldcall AJ and the like). Such a player must call with TT/99, at least if the opponents have stats.


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What are his stats or pfevious hands? If he is decent then your hand is face up. Check flop or barrel the turn you get floated a lot.
or value donked by like TT, kj,aj etc it all depends on the opponent.


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Noname81
Joined: 31.12.2013

It seems calling with even a pair in these situations can be a losing proposition. Only 36% w$sd% and 5% with High Card.

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