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NL20 Speed - Monochrome flop, river straight and check-raised

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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011


IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $28.16 (140.8 bb)
BB: $23.58 (117.9 bb)
UTG: $21.51 (107.6 bb)
MP: $24.54 (122.7 bb)
CO: $7.60 (38 bb)
Hero (BTN): $26.57 (132.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 9
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 3 7 J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.10) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60

River: ($5.30) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.70, BB raises to $9.84, Hero uses his whole time bank and calls $6.14

Villain is 20/20 over 15 hands, so no reads but he looks more on the reggy than fishy side.

Could definitely argue for checking back flop, but with a gutshot and a good chance of getting lots of pairs to fold (if not now then on or before the river) I don't mind setting up to barrel flop and blank turns.

River is obv gin. I foresee my call being wtf'd.

His check-raise threw me. I can't imagine that he takes this check/check/check-raise line with a flopped flush. If he does, it's with the nut flush and it seems that any AsXs he doesn't 3bet pre would often raise flop or turn. I could see AsX being bluffed here sometimes, perhaps?

I don't know that I'm good 1/3 of the time, but I don't see him having a flush 2/3 of the time. I realise those are contradictory statements.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What do you think of making a smaller bet on river?


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you think of making a smaller bet on river?

Definitely has merits. Think my bigger river bet looks bluffier than a half-pot bet or something, though.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not understand. You want to look bluffier or not?


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Yeah of course I do. I think a bigger river bet looks more like I have the bare As or something, while a smaller bet looks more value-y.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

On a monoboard the bigger bet looks more value heavy...


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I dont get this bet on the turn, trying to push it in a 2c card.
Are u trying to buy the flush urself here, MJ?


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you think of making a smaller bet on river?

Definitely has merits. Think my bigger river bet looks bluffier than a half-pot bet or something, though.

Man, I think I m getting this way different than u guys... I would have this river checked.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
On a monoboard the bigger bet looks more value heavy...

It depends, bigger bets also polarizes ur range to really good hands/hands w no showdown value.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol
On a monoboard the bigger bet looks more value heavy...

It depends, bigger bets also polarizes ur range to really good hands/hands w no showdown value.

So we should bet smaller and fokd vs a raise.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador
I dont get this bet on the turn, trying to push it in a 2c card.
Are u trying to buy the flush urself here, MJ?

Turn is a blank so maybe this is the reason. I am not a fan of it too.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you think of making a smaller bet on river?

Definitely has merits. Think my bigger river bet looks bluffier than a half-pot bet or something, though.

Man, I think I m getting this way different than u guys... I would have this river checked.

Checking is the safest way.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I think if you are going to bet this river should be ready to call a raise as no weaker hands are calling, but maybe he is turning weaker hands into bluff.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador
I dont get this bet on the turn, trying to push it in a 2c card.
Are u trying to buy the flush urself here, MJ?

Turn is a blank so maybe this is the reason. I am not a fan of it too.

Yeah basically, a fair few combos can call turn/fold river.

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
I think if you are going to bet this river should be ready to call a raise as no weaker hands are calling, but maybe he is turning weaker hands into bluff.

I definitely considered checking river, but it felt like leaving money on the table when he can perhaps muster up a hero call with some random pair like KsJx.


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tukioppilas62
Joined: 01.01.2011

just bet flop is an option as well as 3-barrel bluff. As played I would bet like 3.5-4 dollars on the river for value and find an very easy fold to a shove


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol
On a monoboard the bigger bet looks more value heavy...

It depends, bigger bets also polarizes ur range to really good hands/hands w no showdown value.

So we should bet smaller and fokd vs a raise.

Nah, for me this is a clear check and see the showdown.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador
I dont get this bet on the turn, trying to push it in a 2c card.
Are u trying to buy the flush urself here, MJ?

Turn is a blank so maybe this is the reason. I am not a fan of it too.

I m really curious of getting MJ point of view on this.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I think our hand has a bit more value than showdown value when he check/calls two streets and then checks a third time. He almost never has a flush with that line and isn't folding 100%.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you think of making a smaller bet on river?

Definitely has merits. Think my bigger river bet looks bluffier than a half-pot bet or something, though.

Man, I think I m getting this way different than u guys... I would have this river checked.

Checking is the safest way.

And the more reasonable one imo.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by MJPerry

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you think of making a smaller bet on river?

Definitely has merits. Think my bigger river bet looks bluffier than a half-pot bet or something, though.

Man, I think I m getting this way different than u guys... I would have this river checked.

Checking is the safest way.

And the more reasonable one imo.

Not if you try to find the thin value. That is what MJ wants.


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