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advancedTN1984
advancedTN1984
Joined: 29.10.2012
Posts: 825
04.03.2018, 15:03

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 171.6 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 10)
SB: 93.1 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (BB): 113.2 BB
UTG: 133.1 BB (VPIP: 21.23, PFR: 17.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.17, Hands: 333)
MP: 92.1 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 12)
CO: 103.2 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥ T♥

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) Q♠ J♥ A♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (10.5 BB, 2 players) T♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero ?

I don't have much info on villain. So pre-flop standard call.

This board is more in favor of the preflop open raiser than on the bb calling range. Actually my range disadvantage is pretty big here. I don't have AA, QQ, JJ. AQ, AJ. I have some KT, so does the preflop raiser.

Actually I am in a nutt range dis advantage. Although I don't have the sets. This board hits my preflop calling range quite hard with lots of two pair combo's and the straight.

I assume my value raising range will consume the sets and the straights, sets I don't have. So only the straights. That is approximately approximately 4 combos. We need as twice as many bluffs. So K9s, TT and 89s qualify for that reason.

I guess. the K9s and 89s are better quality bluffs cause of the backdoor flushdraw.

What about the two pair combo's. We can't raise them on this board. So I call them I guess....

But what about the turn. We are pretty capped on this run out. I don't have that many one type card straight... which has called the flop.

Fold this two pair on the turn or what? I guess I have improved here and in the bad occassion I got some outs 4 so approximately 9% equity in the bad case. Could an average villain barrel through with less or is this just money in the pot without realising the money behind and is this call too ambitious?


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sdf256
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Joined: 21.07.2016
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04.03.2018, 20:31

I would actually 3bet preflop.
To the postflop. I hate this spot. I am in this kind of spot quite often and I really don't know what to do. If someone has snowie, what it thinks? I know it's strategy might not work best at micros, but I'm just curious what is the optimal line.
I would like to give you my opinion on this spot, but I just don't know. I don't wanna talk about something I know nothing about.
But like I said, 3bet preflop would prevent you from this.


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advancedTN1984
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04.03.2018, 20:43

Snowie suggests 3-betting pre-flop. Which is also fine of course. On the flop a clear call. Although flop raising seems to be an option. Turn is it a little in different between folding and calling but calling the better option. But it assumes a little different behaviour of villain then an average micro stakes player. I don't know how to deviate from it though.


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Varune
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Joined: 24.04.2009
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04.03.2018, 20:49

I don't bluff these boards that often, villain either has showdown value which is hard to bluff him off. And on the other hand, like you said we lack the nutted hands in our range.

That being said, x/c flop x/c turn to re-evaluate river, he will often give up for the same reason why we won't bluff alot: we have alot of made hands, so he won't be vbetting light nor bluffing light here. So probably x/f river.

^to above, 3betting this hand, not a big fan, he'll continue with better aces, worse mostly fold or 4bet bluff, which gives you an ever shittier spot.


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LemOn36
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05.03.2018, 01:48

Yeah I 3bet this 100% but it will lead to rough spots so calling is no big deal if you're not that confident in 3b pots

Turn was exactly what I was thinking -whatever, but average player will turn hands into bluff less often than snowie on turn and river so you can let it go in these 0ev spots if youd go by snowie


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advancedTN1984
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05.03.2018, 13:23

Thank you Varune and Lemon36 for both the reviews.


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