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Did I over play AA and miss value here ?

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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

I dont have stats but I remember at the table this villain has 40 VPIP over 50 or so hands.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 9 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $3.54 (177 bb)
UTG+1: $6.63 (332 bb)
MP (Hero): $1.52 (76 bb)
MP+1: $1.81 (91 bb)
LP: $2.09 (105 bb)
CO: $1.97 (99 bb)
BU: $7.18 (359 bb)
SB: $2.05 (103 bb)
BB: $1.39 (70 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with A A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 players fold, CO calls $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, 2 players fold, UTG+1 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.35) 3 K 8 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.22, CO folds, BTN calls $0.22, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($0.79) T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BU folds

Total pot: $0.79 (Rake: $0.03)
MP (Hero) wins $0.76

Should I be fast playing my AA or be trying to figure out what they can call me with at micros? sometimes they call with dumb stuff other times they actually have something I don't want to give cheap cards and get drawn out on but I do want to get value with my good hands ,did I over-bet the turn ? I thought villain might have held a K here but maybe he folded middle pair ? I am having difficulty trying to put villains on ranges when they play from positions like this , since it can be a wide starting range I''m not sure what his flop call implies, does he have a pair a draw or was trying to float a street to see if i give up .


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

If there's a board you should not be worried about is a K83 rainbow, so flop size should be small.
You played fine, if they seems fishy sizing up is never wrong.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I agree with zetozinho,
Aces aren't much good unless your opponents have something slightly less good -- but good enough that they want to continue.

If that isn't the case, you will usually just get one street of value post-flop.

Cheers,
VS


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

If you have reads/stats you deal with at least 1 fish in the hand a bigger sizing for value than normal isn't bad. On turn a half pot bet and a shove on river is most likely a little bit better.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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venatici
Joined: 15.03.2010

Hi,
You could have missed value if you stacked off against the Villain because you are not playing with 100bb in your stack!


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yadijavadi
Joined: 31.01.2018

You could have checked the flop. You could have bet smaller on the turn... These are two plays, of which there are an infinite amount. What you want to learn is the best method for designing plays, of which there is only one.

You think that you are struggling to put the villain on a range when they cc ip. However, you are TRYING to put the villain on a range and that is plenty. You’ll never get it perfect anyway. Draw a hazy range for him in your mind and work from that.

The range you described is for his flop call was fine. “Maybe Kx, maybe low pp or 8x, maybe even Ax”. We don’t know his range for calling the flop so just guess the likelihood of all these possibilities.

AK - KQ 10%
KJ< 20%

These numbers don’t need to be mathematically correct. All they display is the likelihood that I personally think the villain is holding specific hands. This is his range.

You seem to pretty much have that bit down. You’ve learnt how to read the villains past actions which enables you to give him a range. Woohoo. Mission complete. Well done. Now onto the next stage.

The next thing that you want to start considering is what the villain will do with his range in the future. Is he aggressive or is he passive? If he’s passive, we will lean towards betting. If he’s aggressive we lean towards checking to induce.

After a few minutes thinking about how good my amazing advice is, you will have completed your level Two training. Well done. Woohoo. Now onto level three:

In Poker, if you want to maximise your profit you also have to follow your own perceived range: The cards you are representing.

Once you’re considering this second range you’ll understand why it would have probably been best to check one of those streets instead of barrelling.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

Originally posted by zetozinho
If there's a board you should not be worried about is a K83 rainbow, so flop size should be small.
You played fine, if they seems fishy sizing up is never wrong.

LOL this answer is spot on, thats makes sense forsure maybe could have played my hand a bit lighter I feel.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

Originally posted by SDK1987
If you have reads/stats you deal with at least 1 fish in the hand a bigger sizing for value than normal isn't bad. On turn a half pot bet and a shove on river is most likely a little bit better.

Cheers,
SDK1987

thank you this seems like a better logical idea.


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Casey55
Joined: 19.07.2010

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I agree with zetozinho,
Aces aren't much good unless your opponents have something slightly less good -- but good enough that they want to continue.

If that isn't the case, you will usually just get one street of value post-flop.

Cheers,
VS

ahah.wise words,thank you sir. I will keep this in mind.


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