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QQ 4bet pot in blinds war

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Tosh5457
Joined: 18.01.2008

Pacific Poker - €0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 107.9 BB
CO: 113.8 BB
Hero (BTN): 105.9 BB
SB: 189.1 BB
BB: 104 BB
UTG: 116.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ Q♦

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, BB calls 13 BB

Flop: (46.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥ 4♣ 5♠
BB checks, Hero bets 15 BB, BB calls 15 BB

Turn: (76.5 BB, 2 players) T♣
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (76.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler

BB shows K♣ Q♣ (High Card, King)
(Pre 35%, Flop 19%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows Q♠ Q♦ (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 65%, Flop 81%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins 72.7 BB

Villain is a reg.

Check back turn? Didn't bet in order to control the pot since his 4bet calling range should be quite tight, although I should protect against AK and value bet JJ.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

OTR both have less than 1/2 pot behind, no flushes get there, there are no trips -- sets are always possible of course.
A3 is an unlikely holding for calling a 4Bet, but AK, AQ and even AJ are,
Since the turn went x/x and the river doesn't change things, I would bet the river for sure.

I'm curious to see what others think though.
On the other hand, I think that you'd have a hard time calling a re-shove, so maybe checking back is best.

<Vorpal looks at the spoiler>
Nice hand -- had you bet, it is unlikely he would call, and you would still have had a hard time if he shoved.
Is he capable of that?


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Tosh5457
Joined: 18.01.2008

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
OTR both have less than 1/2 pot behind, no flushes get there, there are no trips -- sets are always possible of course.
A3 is an unlikely holding for calling a 4Bet, but AK, AQ and even AJ are,
Since the turn went x/x and the river doesn't change things, I would bet the river for sure.

I'm curious to see what others think though.
On the other hand, I think that you'd have a hard time calling a re-shove, so maybe checking back is best.

<Vorpal looks at the spoiler>
Nice hand -- had you bet, it is unlikely he would call, and you would still have had a hard time if he shoved.
Is he capable of that?

Doubt he was capable of shoving river with that hand. OTR I'm only beating JJ in his calling range though, is it worth the risk of being called with AA, KK or even shoved by TT?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Quite right -- he would be unlikely to shove for value with that hand, but had he shoved as a bluff, then could you have called with that hand.


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kacsa1st
Joined: 09.02.2007

Originally posted by Tosh5457

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
OTR both have less than 1/2 pot behind, no flushes get there, there are no trips -- sets are always possible of course.
A3 is an unlikely holding for calling a 4Bet, but AK, AQ and even AJ are,
Since the turn went x/x and the river doesn't change things, I would bet the river for sure.

I'm curious to see what others think though.
On the other hand, I think that you'd have a hard time calling a re-shove, so maybe checking back is best.

<Vorpal looks at the spoiler>
Nice hand -- had you bet, it is unlikely he would call, and you would still have had a hard time if he shoved.
Is he capable of that?

Doubt he was capable of shoving river with that hand. OTR I'm only beating JJ in his calling range though, is it worth the risk of being called with AA, KK or even shoved by TT?

cmon guys!!!
easiest value push of your life, trust me ;)

1st of all i do not wan't multiple betsize OTR. we have like 66 in a 76 pot. if we wanna use small size w QQ we need to bluff with that size too (50% or 33% ). personally i wanna shove with my value hands and my bluffs aswell (cos of FE).

i gave him some slowpalys (some of his slowplayed AA will bet river and some TT too):

Asztal: 2♥5♠4♣ T♣ 9♥
       Részesedés   Nyert  Osztozás
MP2        60.00%  60.00%     0.00% { QdQs }
MP3        40.00%  40.00%     0.00% { JJ, AdAc, AhAc, TdTs, ThTs }

(ofc if we talked about way higher stakes or more info on villain we could have a few other lines/betsizes, gto shit etc... but we r at the micros so keep it simple. tbh on this specific board i am not fond of your flop size either)
just my 2 cents!

have a good one bois!


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

This isn't really a blinds war when you aren't in the blinds, but on the BTN :f_wink:
I would Cbet around half pot with the intention to shove most turns.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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pimient0
Joined: 04.09.2018

OTR mean "on the river"?


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pisiattu
Joined: 01.04.2010

Without clubs I bet turn, you can check back with :club: , without blockers of his flush draw I always bet


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Pre ok.
Postflop I think this is horrible.
I'd cbet flop big and shove turn. Easy, SPR is so small already in a 4bet pot.
As played, you can bet either turn or river and call a shove.
AK can and should call down, though it may sound ridiculous.


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