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JJ Tough Spot On the River

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Joined: 08.06.2020

Hero (BTN): 254.5 BB
SB: 118 BB
BB: 252 BB
UTG: 220 BB
MP: 125.5 BB
CO: 113 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ J♣

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 6♠ 3♠ 3♣
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets 8.5 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) 2♦
UTG bets 19.5 BB, Hero calls 19.5 BB

River: (68 BB, 2 players) T♥
UTG bets 33 BB, ???


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I vote call.
UTG raise rarely has 3x 6x or Tx (except maybe a T w/ A, K or Q)
TT, and 66 are possible, and I suppose even 33 and 22 are possible
45 -- I don't think so.

JJ+ are certainly in his range though.

I'd like to hear what others think though,
Definitely a tough choice.


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If this was a 100BB deep situation, I'd consider 3-betting villain depending on his stats.
This is a 200BB+ deep pot. 3-bet everyday here, because:

- If villain 4bets you, you know you're against a monster, so most likely fold pre (or call if villain is a maniac)
- it gets rid of blinds sticking around with hands that can outflop us
- if villain just calls and 3 barrel, you can very much discount AA KK from his range, which makes our equity against his range much better.

Without any stats, and as played, it is a very tough situation indeed, so I cannot advise because I have no info on villain.
However, I will say you could avoid such spots by potentially apply the above play.

Disclaimer: I am also NL2 player, so I am by no means a pro.


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Hand strength is underepped so i think it's a call it's not a great spot though as people don't tend to 3 barrel bluff a great deal at these stakes but the draws did miss.


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
the draws did miss.

Well not 54s, we have no info on villain so we can't discard it. I would also 3bet preflop. As played I would fold if we have no reads, not every villain would vbet JTss here for instance, we lose vs A3s/33/66/TT/QQ+, I don't see enough thin vbets at NL2, nor do I see enough 3 barrel bluffs. So even though we under-represent our hand and hero seems to have 77-99 most of the time from villain's point of view, I'm still folding. Villain cbet into 4 players as well, this represents a lot of strength.

If villain is a bad player/has already limped etc. I'm snap-calling


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eichi87
Joined: 23.05.2007

I think it is very close on NL2 to be honest. On higher limits i would like a call much more.

The needed equity for a call is: 33/ (33+33+68) = 0.246 -> 24.6%

If he opens A2s+ in UTG and bluffs his missed flush draws it is a clear call.
If he opens much tighter or doesn't bluff missed flush draws it becomes a fold.
You can try out in the pokerstrategy software Equilab and see how it changes :)

In my experience, on NL2, they don't bluff enough so i would actually consider a fold against unknown on NL2.


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