Did I play this hand wrong?

Hi NAoise,
You have top pair OTF, but your kicker is weak.

I'm curious to see how others would play this.
I think the flop call is OK, but I'm not sure where you should let go.

You are deep stacked too -- you could try using a bit of muscle and raise his flop lead to see how serious he is.

Cheers,
VS

Speaking as a 2NL pro (humour) the old min 3/bet is either a monster hand such as AA or KK or the villain is attempting to make out he is holding a big hand hoping to take the pot down on the flop. In situations like this note taking is important.

Assuming you had no prior history with the villain I think you played it right. I hate folding in these spots wondering if he min 3/bet with garbage or with AA. Those who min 3/bet garbage usually check the turn or river and I am 90% certain he had AA or KK, and possibly 10 J suited.

If I have notes on a villain who likes to min 3/bet weak hands I would call him down. If I was holding A J suited+ preflop I would 4 /bet him. Again it all comes to down to information on the villain. If he does min 3/bet AA KK then flatting with Q 10 suited is the correct play.

yes you played a nice and difficult hand i think

Hi. I would have shown some aggro on the flop and re-raised, but I don't think you played badly.

I usually like to bet or raise flop to deny equity when we are slightly ahead or have a vulnerable hand, but I don't think this reasoning applies here. If we raise to deny equity it means we put our opponent mostly on AK, but in other cases our TP is here strong enough to not worry about denying equity, not to mention that a min-3bet could be QQ+. Raising for value means we expect villain to call JJ-TT/random Qx he 3bet, I don't think villain folds JJ to one raise, and he prob calls a bet turn, but we're not sure of that. On the other hand, we can safely assume that AQ/KK type of hands would happily get in. Could raise a hand like AQ no hearts for instance because a) we block AA b) we unblock TT c) we beat KQ/QJ that could be part of his range d) we unblock FDs

As played, I call, mostly because I don't expect very strong hands to bet 1/2 pot on the turn with 2 FD and 1 SD, could be a random Q5s/A7s/JJ that does not want to check for some reason, we need to have the best hand only 25% of the time, I think it's an easy call actually.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
You are deep stacked too -- you could try using a bit of muscle and raise his flop lead to see how serious he is.
VS

Although op has 233bb it's only 100bb effective which is bb's stack

@op i think it's played ok.

Yeah and raising to see how serious someone is is not really a reason to raise, if this would be a reason to raise, we could 3bet 100% / raise cbets 100% to see if the villains are serious

Originally posted by Swish29
Yeah and raising to see how serious someone is is not really a reason to raise, if this would be a reason to raise, we could 3bet 100% / raise cbets 100% to see if the villains are serious

Vorpal plays a lot of mixed games they play very differently with betting i believe but all advise is good advise imo.

Pretty standard play wouldn't overthink it.

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
all advise is good advise imo.

I completely disagree with that. People can say things that are just wrong (for instance an idiot here couldn't read a hand properly edit: for people who won't click the link: that "idiot" was me, I would not insult someone else :)) and listening to wrong/poor advice can then cause you to make mistakes. Of course we post here to hear advice etc. but one should still be cautious and think for her/himself.

A lot of people (me included most likely) overestimate how skilled they are at this game, it could be because they're arrogant, just not aware of better, because they feel entitled to win when they see the (perceived or real) mistakes of other players etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability.

Probably fine to fold river though it would be ok river call theory wise imo. You don't block either of the flush draws and block made hands with both cards.

Originally posted by Swish29

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
all advise is good advise imo.

I completely disagree with that. People can say things that are just wrong (for instance an idiot here couldn't read a hand properly) and listening to wrong/poor advice can then cause you to make mistakes. Of course we post here to hear advice etc. but one should still be cautious and think for her/himself.

A lot of people (me included most likely) overestimate how skilled they are at this game, it could be because they're arrogant, just not aware of better, because they feel entitled to win when they see the (perceived or real) mistakes of other players etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability.

It's nice to be nice.

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
It's nice to be nice.

Hmm okay ♦ can you please be more explicit/what didn't you like in my post?

Originally posted by Swish29

Originally posted by RedsYNWA
It's nice to be nice.

Hmm okay ♦ can you please be more explicit/what didn't you like in my post?

There really isn't anything wrong with your post Swish29 -- I think RedsYNWA was being general.
Specifically on first read your post sounds like you're calling out idiocy, you are referring to yourself.

Originally posted by RedsYNWA

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
You are deep stacked too -- you could try using a bit of muscle and raise his flop lead to see how serious he is.

Although op has 233bb it's only 100bb effective which is bb's stack

@op i think it's played ok.

You are correct -- the phrase I should have used is "You cover his stack 2:1"

This may not apply to thinking Hold'em players, but often weak players CBet "just because they should"
Raising the flop could get them to call with worse.

Whether you do this with a weak kicker I'm not so sure. It was just a thought bubble...

VS