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NL10 SH JJ - 4 way 3bet pot with overpair vs. turn overbet

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Laci24
Joined: 07.10.2009

Hi everyone :welcome:

It was the most interesting hand in September for me..
Flop x/c - turn overbet is very rare line from recreational player. Which hands can be in his range? :pcuser: His statname site. He is british.

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players

Hero (UTG): $10.60 (106 bb)
aceme@y2k (MP): $10.68 (107 bb)
charlie5541 (CO): $8.48 (85 bb)
KiraLasVegas (BU): $10.86 (109 bb)
woadie351 (SB): $7.70 (77 bb)
johansel0894 (BB): $2.39 (24 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Herp is UTG with J J
Hero (UTG) raises to $0.30, aceme@y2k (MP) calls $0.30, charlie5541 (CO) calls $0.30, 1 fold, woadie351 (SB) 3-bets to $0.50, 1 fold, Hero(UTG) calls $0.20, aceme@y2k (MP) calls $0.20, charlie5541 (CO) calls $0.20

Flop: ($2.10) 8 7 3 (4 players)
woadie351 (SB) checks, Hero (UTG) bets $1.20, 2 players fold, woadie351 (SB) calls $1.20

bet size?

Turn: ($4.50) 3 (2 players)
woadie351 (SB) bets $6 (all-in), Hero?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi Laci24,
Love the avatar!

He either has air, a 3 -- maybe two -- or pocket 8s or 7s
I've caught a few people bluffing when the board pairs, but you can never be sure.

If opponent is a thinking player, he assume you have a lot of overpairs in your range, and will find folding tough.

Considering that the cost of calling is so small compared to the pot, I doubt I could fold this.

I can fold these if I know the player, but I would need to know the player really well


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Swish29
Joined: 06.04.2009

No stats on this player? I doubt someone min-3bets QQ+ into so many players so I am calling, his line makes no sense for value and I could see a rec try to do this with 8x/7x/random sh*t/a draw. I know recs do absurd things but x/c set into donk shove full is not a line that I see a lot. If he had QQ+, why not shove flop to value 99+ instead of waiting for a turn that might kill the action/make him have the worst hand? Why shove a full turn when draws have 0% and will call 0% vs a shove?


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

there are two scenarios preflop:
1. he min3bets loose. 4bet and get it in, you might flip against A8o or whatever.
2. he min3bets tight. call with the main intent to set-mine, and see what happens postflop.

postflop is just an extension of the preflop logic, if he seems loose you call, and if he doesn't you fold.
don't discount premiums because of the min3bet, you know that these guys min3bet AA, even though it actually makes their range face up... their thought process is just "let's raise small to trap these suckers" or some similar nonsense, just as in turn check/minraises and relatives.

all this thought process you are trying to give him is irrelevant, he's a random button clicker (min-squeezing does not make sense under any reasonable strategy), he's not thinking about this and he doesn't care, don't try to soulread him.
the only thing we should base a decision on is any frequencies we have on him.


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Laci24
Joined: 07.10.2009

I thank you the comments. These are very helpful to me.

Vorpal:Thx, and I also like this avatar.

I thought that you can see his statname site after log in.
I dont know not what was the problem. It is perfect when I click the link.
These was the all informations which I had in the minute of the hand.

He played 44 / 10 / 7 over 906 hands.
WTSD: 37, WonSD: 43.


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