GG bounty hunters $105 QJo bb, unnecessary river bet ?

You gave it your best shot, but your hand has very little showdown value.
The bet/fold OTR is the best line to take

It is reasonable to believe that opponent would not assume you're bluffing, and few players shove as a bluff catch
You tried to establish authority/initiative with the check/raise OTT, but it failed.

Your hand is too strong to fold pre, and not quite strong enough to 3Bet (although some say to 3Bet or fold from SB)
After that, the runout just sucks

Hi,
I see u got mixed up in positions. Pls, keep in mind we are acting from BB.
I promise u man it's a call with QJo from BB., 100% vs unknown, or this one too that is while tough to play against I can argue with any coach about that. lol

question is:
Do you think raising flop is better than calling and why?
Do you think river bet is unnecessary (in this sizing and why) and why ?

Thanks for opinions

Pre is clear defend with call. With having bd fd I would call or like KJ for showdown value versus small cbet. But imo QJo is fine to fold.

My flop raising range would be either 7x or some 34s, 84s, 64.

Hands like 89, 86 I would just call. Plus obviously some 7x, 55, pockets in general, Ax and some other high cards. But when I call high card hand it's mainly for it showdown value and not that much to float to stab on later street.

As played I would just fold turn. Your range is really bluff heavy if you start using all sort of hands like this and thing is you could fairly easily be drawing dead.

By x-r turn versus uncapped range (villain can have any pocket and lot of 7x) you are essentially saying that you have 7x or full house. Which means that 55 and 22 would reeeeally hate this river as now any 66+ is better. Trying to value bet those would be really questionable and mainly aim to get value from A high or in case of 55 from some weaker full houses.

So to me it looks like we might not really want to bet river ever because only quads would be happy to do it. TT+ we would likely 3bet pre at least so are we willing to take this line with some 88-99? Even those lose to quite a few hands in BU range.

If we do bet river it would be to value bet quads which mean shove would be only sensible sizing.

QJo can be mixed as 3bet vs BTN like 65/35 call/3bet , u can 3 bet even Q5o any K,Q,Ax hands against fold to 3 bet guys (who have ft3b 60 and more)
I would 3bet to 8bb and cbet small

Originally posted by ghaleon
So to me it looks like we might not really want to bet river ever because only quads would be happy to do it. TT+ we would likely 3bet pre at least so are we willing to take this line with some 88-99? Even those lose to quite a few hands in BU range.

If we do bet river it would be to value bet quads which mean shove would be only sensible sizing.

Exactly :f_cool:, if we are betting river we should be practically always shoving this spot. If villain had any doubt about the hand earlier, now he doesn't. ♦:D:D lol
I wouldn't like folding flop with this hand tho cuz it looks a bit weak to me as he could be betting his entire range.
But on the other hand I would not be raising such holdings either.
But yeah I think too that turn is somewhere ( if not earlier) we should be folding and besides what you all mentioned I'd just like to note and highlight villain's turn sizing as well.

Thanks for opinions and analysis guys:)
Cheers