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monteCarlol
Joined: 24.08.2019

Very large cbet OTF. I do not get the odds for the FD and overcards might not both be live.

OTT again x/c depending on size.

Which line on the river has the highest EV:

- x/r
- bet small/r
- jam

Does it make a huge difference at all?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 419 BB
SB: 110 BB
BB: 201 BB
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 90.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♣ A♣

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 10.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (22.5 BB, 2 players) 6♣ 8♣ 8♠
Hero checks, CO bets 17.5 BB, Hero calls 17.5 BB

Turn: (57.5 BB, 2 players) 6♥
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (57.5 BB, 2 players) 7♣
Hero bets 72 BB and is all-in, fold,


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Any info on villain would be nice, but based on stack size villain is a weaker player.
You have still 2 changes to hit the flush and it could be that villain Cbets a lot, but against a unknown a call isn't to bad. off course if villain Cbets turn again you need to fold on a reasonable Cbet sizing.

On river i would normal bet around 20bb for thin value with in mind villain has 62,5bb behind on the moment. Off course if you think villain will call any over pair with a shove this isn't to bad. Now you change your hand basicly in to a bluff with in mind villain should call with only a full house on a double paired board. A call with ace high should be really optimistic and I expect it's a decent change villain would Cbet turn with over pairs.

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SDK1987


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

River I think you need a value bet, IMO I would go 1/3 it is likely villian holds AK or jj-99.. I would be lead to believe better holding AA-QQhe with a club he would lead, but you hold 2 of those blockers..

The only hand that calls your all
In are better hands with this board, and I don’t see him holding any, just losers how the hand was played.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Mkablo
River I think you need a value bet, IMO I would go 1/3

Agreed -- however, if you bet 1/3 on this river, do you fold to a shove?
The 1/3 pot "thin value" bet is also a blocker bet. Opponents can call with a 6 in their hand, but will jam with an 8, or 9♣:T♣:

Originally posted by Mkablo
The only hand that calls your all
In are better hands with this board, and I don’t see him holding any, just losers how the hand was played.

You're probably right, but this is where it helps to know your opponent -- A-high hands held by true calling stations can call here.


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

Think at these limits- you get jammed on you fold.. I don’t believe their would be anyone at these limits bluffing that hand.

Agreed. But I really do jot think a calling station will call a all in with Ace high... but I have been wrong.. 😁

Sorry don’t know how to do quotes thing.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Mkablo
Sorry don’t know how to do quotes thing.

If you mean what I think you mean...
If you look at the bottom of a post, you'll see:

if you click the "quote" button the previous post is entirely copied into your reply surrounded by quote tags.
Edit out the parts you don't want.

If you want to quote something that isn't in a previous post, click the button on the reply toolbar.

Then put what you want to quote between the tags.

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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

If you mean what I think you mean...
If you look at the bottom of a post, you'll see:

if you click the "quote" button the previous post is entirely copied into your reply surrounded by quote tags.
Edit out the parts you don't want.

If you want to quote something that isn't in a previous post, click the button on the reply toolbar.

Then put what you want to quote between the tags.

If that's not what you meant, let me know...

Yea that


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

If you edit your post, just remove the / from the first quote tag and it will work.


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EmiyaKiritsugu
Joined: 13.08.2013

Originally posted by SDK1987
Now you change your hand basicly in to a bluff with in mind villain should call with only a full house on a double paired board.

lol, how many 8x/6x you see in both players ranges? Maybe low frequency 87s and quads(also not full frequency). That 6 on turn is blank that should never slow down good hands in CO range.

Most important node in this hand is flop as we need to decide if we want to shove or just call. I'm leaning more toward shoving as I expect recreational player(90bb stack) will just bet too much there so he has to fold a lot and you make profit.

As for decision on river - I think you need to think what you want to target with your bet. I would pick blockbet as I think he will barell off his overpairs so his most likely calling hand is A high. Especially recreationals will still find there curious calls with AK,AQ or AJ. Checking is bad as you block his potential bluffs and people rarely reopen action after betting big flop and checking back turn on neutral card.


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

lol, how many 8x/6x you see in both players ranges? Maybe low frequency 87s and quads(also not full frequency). That 6 on turn is blank that should never slow down good hands in CO range.

Like so????


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Well, we're getting closer...
Somehow an extra tag got inserted.

This is your post:

[i]Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu[/i]
[i] lol, how many 8x/6x you see in both players ranges? Maybe low frequency 87s and quads(also not full frequency). That 6 on turn is blank that should never slow down good hands in CO range.

This is what it should look like:

[i]Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu[/i] lol, how many 8x/6x you see in both players ranges? Maybe low frequency 87s and quads(also not full frequency). That 6 on turn is blank that should never slow down good hands in CO range.

there should be one

tag at the beginning and a matching one at the end with a / between the [ and the q

But you don't really ever need to type them in.
Using the two buttons I described here it is done for you.


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