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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $7.01 (140 bb)
MP: $5.48 (110 bb)
CO: $1.81 (36 bb)
BU: $2.63 (53 bb)
SB: $6.30 (126 bb)
BB: $3.12 (62 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $0.15, 3 players fold, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 6 Q 3 (3 players)
SB bets $0.43, BB folds, Hero calls $0.43

Turn: ($1.31) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $0.63, Hero calls $0.63

River: ($2.57) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $2.46, Hero calls $2.46

Should it be easy to fold on the river or already on the turn? I didn't think about raising flop, the bet is too high I think I would get into a worse situation. I called it of, I wasn't able to fold. Seems like a big leak to me.


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

It is so player dependent, what are his stats. If he's like 30/0 vpip pfr with 0 Agression Factor, it is easy fold on the River. if he is more like bluff heavy, you can make the call. So he donkpots the flop, scaredbets the flushy turn for 1/2pot, and when board pairs bets the pot again on the River! looks like full house to me, like Q3 or 66 would make a lot of sense. I would call turn fold river probably here..


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009

Cause, flop and turn he could still have just Qx. But on River it must be very strong hand or a bluff. And i don't think he would bluff like this. For sure he doesnt have KQ there anymore..


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jiffybag
Joined: 21.12.2010

I think taavi1337 put it perfectly.
For me to call a pot sized river bet on that board I need to know my opponent can do this with worse. Some players do see TP and go crazy. But his betting pattern smells like nutz. If it had gone pot check pot I would still fold.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Very strange that someone with a very strong hand will donk bet this flop.
And even more strange to do so so large.

Since it is zoom though, and since stacks are a bit deeper it is OK to flat top pair.
I'm surprised no-one suggested folding the turn.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Villains bet sizing is strange for sure and the donk lead on the flop as well.

After calling the flop it's tough to fold to a half pot Cbet, but if villain is passive fish you could think of folding, because villain can easy hit the flush. River is a easy fold for sure against almost a pot size bet or you have specific reads on the villain in this hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

If anyone's interested in the villain's hand:

Spoiler

A♠:8♠:


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buergerkneifer
Joined: 15.11.2010

I am more leaning towards folding the river here because of the bet sizing, but think that flat calling is fine, too.
In a cash game I might call this player to make a note afterwards.
You know now 2 crucial information about him that will help you read him, if seen again.
1) he donk bets a flush-draw, probably to "hide" having one in case he hits in on the turn.
2) And I think this logic applies to a lot of people in micro limits: Big River Bet=You are usally behind with just top pair.


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braunkan
Joined: 01.11.2021

On the flop I think he has 6 combos of sets, 9 combos of AX of spades, and 16 combos of KQ/QJ that he might be overplaying. Without any reads on this guy I would call the turn since its a small size and some donks could definitely have KQ/QJ in their range here. His small size could mean he's worried about the flush. On the river I would fold


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