Did I overplay it? No1

Somewhere, "raising for value and protection" smoothly transitions into "overplaying it"
But I think that once the 3rd diamond hits it's a call, not a raise.

For me the raise would have been OTF — I don't slow-play sets.
But then again, I don't play NL 25 either

C, C, C w JdJx

Any info on the villain in this hand would be nice. Read less I would just call the river with middle set. You have a decent bluff catcher and is tough to get value with shoving, but that's villain depended.

Flop play seems allright, but raising for value and protection isn't bad ether.

Cheers,
SDK1987

This is a very basic, easy raise on the flop here. Raise for protection and value.
As played, why aren't you raising the turn? You want to play for stacks, the board is double toned, with straight draws, and the SPR is high.

Stick to basic principles, you have a good hand and want to play for stacks: raise.

Originally posted by DecMate
This is a very basic, easy raise on the flop here. Raise for protection and value.
As played, why aren't you raising the turn? You want to play for stacks, the board is double toned, with straight draws, and the SPR is high.

Stick to basic principles, you have a good hand and want to play for stacks: raise.

I think I should change the title to "Did I underplay it in the beginning and then Did I overplay it at the end? "

Honestly, I put the villain on a completely different value range because I had the flush blocker.

Preflop call, rise on the flop rest streets call.

It's not that bad for me. You should call down from time to time if not most of the time with your top range to disguise the strenght of your hand. On the turn you could consider a raise with two flushdraws. On the river seems okay for me. He will never fold Ax hand here so raise is not a mistake for me.

But i am asking hero why he doesnt 3bet pre?

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135
It's not that bad for me. You should call down from time to time if not most of the time with your top range to disguise the strenght of your hand. On the turn you could consider a raise with two flushdraws. On the river seems okay for me. He will never fold Ax hand here so raise is not a mistake for me.

But i am asking hero why he doesnt 3bet pre?

What? Why should anyone ever call off with Ax here?

What? Why should anyone ever call off with Ax here?

Pot commited and the limit. People dont like to give up top pairs on these limits.

Pot commited? You cant be serious. He still can save half stack instead of 'calling for info' with flushes, straights or sets lurking from hero range in this spot.
In typical 3bet pot you have 50-60bb left after calling 2 bets and people find folds on river.

If we dont raise flop or turn then on river we can't raise for value.

People find folds on the river? You talk like it's a tendencie. It's not. It's very few that find fold. Most of the time you will get paid off. He has to pay 40 bb in a pot of over a 100bb. Yes he is pot commited

But he has to pay 50bb, not 40. And why do you think he is even betting Ax on this river, especially with this sizing?
You say people are so terrible, to bet/call Ax here and yet you advice not raising flop or turn, because of "disguising your hand" (on nl25 fast). That is a bit contradicting.

I advice him to raise the turn. Calling flop is fine most of the time. We cant raise only top of our range and call with bottom. By calling we not only disguise the strenght of our hand but we keep his entire range

he has to pay 50bb

40 or 50 not much of a diffrence. If he calls 40 he will not fold 50 either

Your thinking is contradictory as sandraardnas noticed. You make assumption that AK/AQ are bet/calling 100% river there on every card if you expect villain to do this on worst possible card.

As for pot commitment - you should never feel commited if you expect to never win against value shove and struggle to find bluffs in villain range. That might be case against whale who will bet/call 87s there but I think even average regular from nl5 is good enough to fold there even two pairs on river.

As for pot commitment - you should never feel commited if you expect to never win against value shove and struggle to find bluffs in villain range.

I agree. But that's you not the pool

You make assumption that AK/AQ

There is no assumptions here. We dont have information to make assumptions. There is only hope and targeting in this spot. My opinion is that the hand is way too strong to be turned into a bluffcatcher. He must be very aggressive monkey. Only then raise will be pointless.

You really overеstimate the players. I am the opposite. For me all players are terrible till they show me the opposite.

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135

You really overеstimate the players. I am the opposite. For me all players are terrible till they show me the opposite.

With all due respect, but that logic will make you lose your roll, nothing else. Maybe it's okayish on NL2, but not on NL25.

For the hand, I would raise on flop or turn, but never the river on a board like this. River shove seems too thin for me here.

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135
You really overеstimate the players. I am the opposite. For me all players are terrible till they show me the opposite.

Maybe you consider whales as 'regulars'? I started playing week ago on nl5 zoom and regs there obviously make a lot of bad decisions, however they are not whales losing 30bb/100 or more. And you really need that kind of winrate to triple AK here with big sizings and happily call to raise.

You are clearly inexperienced both of you. If you survive long enough as a poker players you will understand what i am talking about.

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135
You really overеstimate the players. I am the opposite. For me all players are terrible till they show me the opposite.

Maybe you consider whales as 'regulars'? I started playing week ago on nl5 zoom and regs there obviously make a lot of bad decisions, however they are not whales losing 30bb/100 or more. And you really need that kind of winrate to triple AK here with big sizings and happily call to raise.

For me a player is a "regular" if I see them frequently — let's say more than 2 or 3 times a week.
I characterise their play on a scale from "tight", to "loose" for pre-flop play and "passive" to "aggro" for post-flop play.
I used to take careful notes, but on sites where I play fast-fold I've rather fallen behind.