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Right time to overbet?

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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

This villain was tight, like, 15/11 or something.

GG Poker - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 95.28 BB
SB: 115.96 BB
Hero (BB): 111.04 BB
UTG: 106.8 BB
MP: 104.24 BB
CO: 162.12 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5♣ 7♣

fold, MP raises to 2.52 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.52 BB

Flop: (5.44 BB, 2 players) 3♣ 2♣ Q♦
Hero checks, MP bets 1.8 BB, Hero calls 1.8 BB

Turn: (9.04 BB, 2 players) 6♣
Hero checks, MP bets 4.52 BB, Hero calls 4.52 BB

River: (18.08 BB, 2 players) 9♦
Hero bets 30 BB

I hate getting bluffed off the pot so I'm afraid I'm gonna have to bet/call this, in case of the nut flush blocker bluffs.

Thoughts?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Dr1fter808
This villain was tight, like, 15/11 or something.
Thoughts?

As I mentioned previously, I don't think — I just act.
In this case I t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ act that this is a excellent time for an overbet.
It looks superbly bluffy, and can get called by lots worse.

OTOH, if opponent is a playing 15/11 because they're a solid, knowledgeable player they could fold quite a few hands that would call a lesser bet.
Oh crap! There I go thinking again.


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

I think the chance of a nit who was the aggressor then bluffing vs a donk over bet on the river where fold equity is minimal is close to non existent. So if villain shoves the river vs the over bet i think it's very likely a fold. I cant say im a huge fan of this line either for an over bet i think there are better lines to take when your the player without the initiative.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

I would check river. If we want to aim for bigger pot I would probably x-r turn. River x-r versus small sizing would also make sense. Personally I use donk betting on turn or river if board changes in some meaningful way that shift equities. River in this case is total blank and from range perspective villain is one with more high flushes with his preflop range. Especially when he is tight. So I dont think there is any good reason to go for this huge donk bet. If we get raised on river its like 90+% of time Q high flush or better imo :)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I would most likely check/raise the river for value. Offcourse if villain 3bet shoves you need to fold.

Now it's tough to get value of to many weaker hands with over betting and if villain shoves you need to give up.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Pokamon
Joined: 15.04.2006

Originally posted by mjez1
xc,xc,xc

this. raise w higher flushes.


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Dr1fter808
Joined: 11.10.2017

Thanks you all. He tank called with AcAs. I think he thought about shoving me in, probably.


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Vampiir142
Joined: 01.10.2017

By me xc, xc, over bet was good play, he could call with Acxc or Kcxc but still he could affraid 4c5c.


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MYLFF
Joined: 20.07.2022

No. no. That's way too strong of a line it's much better here to simply check raise the turn and bet normally on the river. You may not get stacks in since it is a tight player but you will still get value from his sets, 1 club hands like AQ or other junky draws like KQo. Note though that if you do get reraised on that turn against a very tight player you probably are looking at a higher flush most of the time..but I wouldn't worry about it at all against any other player type just look to get stacks in.

Just raise to like 20bb on the turn and bet 75% on the river if 4th club doesn't fall and you can win a lot of nice pots here with this hand.

Cheers!


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