PLO50 AT32ss triple barrel bluff?

Interesting hand I think, but not sure a 3barrel bluff will work that wel on a dry board.
Villain needs to be capable to fold over pairs and most of them would play more aggressive pre-flop most likely.

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SDK1987

Your reasoning might be right but villain calling flop and turn is basically saying that his is not going anywhere especially on a board like that.

Also a good chance of being out-kicked if your bluff gets called.
Another thought is — how well do these players know you?
Would they call based on the knowledge that you can make a bluff here?

I´d say to flop it´s okayish but AT32sa is not a GTO openraise from BU actually and I am a little tighter than GTO unless there is reason to steal like 2 nits in the blinds. So once 1 of em continues our plan actually already failed and I´d give up otf because arriving on flop I continue with ranges that are again slightly tighter than GTO so those additional steal hands that are not included in such a framework would be just given up without a good hit.

The flop is not the best to c-bet out specific hand because we have no pivot cards (block quads) and also just 2 overcards (no high pair blockers) and with Ace-high we have very marginal SDV. In general the better the overcards the better we block those overpairs. On certain board it´s better to check 3 or 4 overcards even if they have blocker effects but here it´s totally frequency dependant. Since we are 3way our FE is reduced for a succesful steal so there can be made a point for just give up otf.

Triple-barreling unknown players is a thing that did not work out for me so far on rush tables despite most players are incredibly tight. Repping stuff is highly difficult because they just look at their own cards and do not fall for any mindgames or adapting well enough to texture shifts. Players (Flop & Turn) -calling ranges are little stronger in general and once they call they have no GTO approach where you should fold some portion of your range each streets they rather just call it down with decent SDV which should make us bluff less often. The river does not help us because it´s no overcard to the trips so we have to handle it like a blank. I think if you bluff every blocker on a card turn your bluff frequency is proabably too high aswell.

Preflop is very borderline in plo50 on trainer:

But there is also factor that we are 3 handed which means that rake is halved which allow bit wider open raises. Though SB was on loose side so open fold would still likely be better.

Flop is interesting. In a way we want to have high card blockers for flop cbet but I dont think having especially Q or J is that beneficial for triple barrel. Imo we want villain to have QQ or JJ that is usually not calling down. So on this turn for triple barrel plan best kind of hand for bluff would probably be AKT without Q or J. Both BU and BB ranges have similar amount of 8x but we definitely have advantage on AA and KK. 23 is very neutral part in my hand that its not blocking stuff around 8x for "close proximity blockers" but its also not really blocking anything else either.

As I said BB did look like solid reg so I am more happy to do this sort of bluff versus better opponent than unknown or recreational. Of course this is very very specific and rare spot so having read on villain tendencies is practically impossible.

Also one issue for bluffing in this spot is my wide BU range. So we would probably want to have mainly AK combos when blasting off. Though T is also good as I dont think BB is folding TT versus 1/3 pot bet on flop.

PS: AK does have some showdown value but issue is that we have very hard time to call any bets if we go for check line. Well its not issue per say but we do leave door open for cheap bluffs. I suppose like AK with two bdfd probably wants to check more as flushes has tiny bit of value if we keep pot small.

But there is also factor that we are 3 handed which means that rake is halved which allow bit wider open raises.

Oh I did not know that, interesting.

QQ or JJ that is usually not calling down.

I am not sure about QQ´s are folding. If villain is potentially loose as you said he might even call JJ´s. And having those cards also blocks KK´s and TT´s because of blocker effects (connected hands are played more frequently than disconnected hands).

I don´t think villain calls AK rather more lower pairs like the JJ´s or 99´s. But do you realy pot-barrel that as a default? I mean I would not value-bet AA´s for full pot since I want maximize value from a capped range.

Sure I would pot AA+. We have pretty clear polarity advantage in this spot and by potting we get max benefit from it. When we bet flop and turn we are fairly polarized already and when that is the case river pot bet is very standard on blank river. For turn bet bottom of my value range would be KK.

If river comes J, Q or K I think there is lot more merit in using smaller bet as those do bring new close nuts decreasing value of AA and TT.

SB was loose player and BB solid reggy looking guy. So I think we can get fair amount of less than KK to fold on river. But as I said earlier it might actually be more important to have A blocker for call hand over absolute strength of pocket.

I am not sure how many sites have rake system where 2-3 handed is with half rake. At least Unibet has. I did ask about it on plomastermind discord and someone did comment pretty close to all sites uses that. But best to check on site you play if that is case. You can also check hh to see if rake is smaller.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Also a good chance of being out-kicked if your bluff gets called.
Another thought is — how well do these players know you?
Would they call based on the knowledge that you can make a bluff here?

Unibet is sort of semi anonymous. One can change nick whenever he wants and I personally change it after couple sessions or even more often. So most of time opponents won't really have much of history with me from their side.

Imo this is spot where bluffs are rare. Especially with flop being 3way so versus thinking player we can get more credit. I would not do bluff like this versus call happy types.

Yes from a theoretical perspective but in reality nobody has a GTO calling defense by the river. In reality people tend to call all sort of boats against a half-pot sized bets but also fold most stuff, sometimes even KKxx against full pot.

In this specific situation it might work well since you get lots of credit for your bluff but as part of an overall strategy where you should also have a value-betting range otr it´s kinda losing out value against common tendencies.

Originally posted by Mascherano95
I´d say to flop it´s okayish but AT32sa is not a GTO openraise from BU actually and I am a little tighter than GTO unless there is reason to steal like 2 nits in the blinds.

His inner Omaha Hi/Lo player was trying to come out to play

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by Mascherano95
I´d say to flop it´s okayish but AT32sa is not a GTO openraise from BU actually and I am a little tighter than GTO unless there is reason to steal like 2 nits in the blinds.

His inner Omaha Hi/Lo player was trying to come out to play

Haha. It´s kinda interesting solver differntiating value of wheel cards is drawing so many lines between x(5)54, x(5)42 and x(5)32 combos (barely played ever but sometimes we do stuff with x(4)42). So xx54 and xx53 have similar value but xx52 and xx42 are quite worse with xx43 slightly better than xx52. The worst xx32 stuff where we basically fold everything unless it has fantastic sidevalue like A332ds. So there is lots of stuff going with these low-straight hitting candidates due to domination issues.. despite the fact that we actually hit straights with similar frequencies.

This goes even as far as drawing red lines into 3-bet pots (bare wheel oesd have more value here because of high-card heavy ranges) where solver really tries to build a core-value range around the actual wheel-nutstraight so even if we have like 42xx on a 53x flop in a 3bp oop we have to be worried to a certain degree about running into the 64xx dominating oesd (or nutstraight) which increases the checking frequency significantly compared to the nutted components. Despite such a big junk of our stack being in the pot already, solver still tries to outmaneuvr in a way so we can rep and gii with the absolute nuts.

Underlines importance of nuttines throughout all the ranks. Solver really hates xxx4, xxx3 and xxx2 in general.