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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Opponent is unknown. On flop I catch middle pair and get weird donkbet I decide call. Turn comes second jack, opponent again donkbet and I call. On river I get small donkbet. This moves isn't sense with value hands. Better jack like QJs probably 3bet preflop, jack offsuit fold preflop on SB, sets shouldn't donkbet here on rainbow board so I call three times here. What do You think about this hand?

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit - https://pokeit.co/public/525bsYk2S/r

UTG: $0.72 (36 bb)
CO: $2.27 (114 bb)
BU (Hero): $2.43 (122 bb)
SB: $2.74 (137 bb)
BB: $1.91 (96 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A♥ 9♠
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.06, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) J♦ 6♠ 9♣ (2 players)
SB bets $0.07, Hero calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.28) J♥ (2 players)
SB bets $0.13, Hero calls $0.13

River: ($0.54) 4♠ (2 players)
SB bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

Total pot: $0.82 (Rake: $0.03)

Spoiler

Showdown:
SB shows K♦ J♣ (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 42%, Flop: 80%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

BU (Hero) mucks A♥ 9♠ (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 20%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

SB wins $0.79


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Seems fine. Fold OTF will be way too tight imo. On the later streets you cant fold against such a sizings. Your hand is decent bluffcatcher and will be good most of the time on that board texture


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Just to bad villain has trips this time, but you need really good reads to fold and if I would fold it would be on the flop.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Typical thing here, villian should fold preflop with this hand or 3bet, no he call and must get it.


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mkBISCUIT
Joined: 19.01.2018

Need to call. Your odds and if you don’t have a read on villian you can’t fold


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Typical thing here, villian should fold preflop with this hand or 3bet, no he call and must get it.

It's not something unusual. You have 58% to win preflop.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Originally posted by NapoleonBonaparte135

Typical thing here, villian should fold preflop with this hand or 3bet, no he call and must get it.

It's not something unusual. You have 58% to win preflop.

I think about that he should fold or 3bet KJo preflop on SB. This is one example for weird moves players on micro.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

KJo isn't the a really bad call I think against a BTN raise.
3bet bluff is most likely better. I wouldn't fold KJo right away.


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I think about that he should fold or 3bet KJo preflop on SB. This is one example for weird moves players on micro.

The way he plays is his buissness and his money. Instead of thinking of how he might or might not play, think about yourself and your reactions!


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Yes I think about my game and I don't Play shit hands and with playable hands I don't catch boards like fish. So why I don't think about another players game too? You don't look at tendencies players on table and range which could have players?


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

Originally posted by SDK1987
KJo isn't the a really bad call I think against a BTN raise.
3bet bluff is most likely better. I wouldn't fold KJo right away.

I don't agree with KJo is good call on SB vs button. We seldom conect with board and we Play without position.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by aleasy77

Originally posted by SDK1987
KJo isn't the a really bad call I think against a BTN raise.
3bet bluff is most likely better. I wouldn't fold KJo right away.

I don't agree with KJo is good call on SB vs button. We seldom conect with board and we Play without position.

Conventional SHC has KJo a fairly solid open, and KTo is the bluff 3Bet. If you tighten up one notch, KJo becomes the bluff 3Bet as SDK1987 suggests.

Interestingly, I have another SHC that shows exactly what SDK suggests — KJo is the 3Bet bluff.
The general idea is that you 3Bet bluff with the lowest hand in your calling range — but sometimes you call with it, and the difference lies in how you perceive the other player.
3Betting has the advantage of keeping BB out of the hand (you hope)
Just for giggles, I used Equilab to see the equity KJo had against a "standard" BU RFI range.

       Equity     Win     Tie
BU     43.86%  42.45%   1.41% { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J3s+, T3s+, 94s+, 84s+, 73s+, 63s+, 53s+, 43s, A2o+, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T6o+, 96o+, 86o+, 76o, 65o }
SB     56.14%  54.74%   1.41% { KJo }

I'm liking the 3Bet more and more. The idea of the 3Bet bluff is that you are hoping for a fold, but OK to see a flop, but will fold to a 4Bet


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

This range what You put is not too wide on microstakes?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by aleasy77
This range what You put is not too wide on microstakes?

I'm not sure whether you're saying that the range for button opening is too wide, or the defending range is too wide.

This is the BU Opening Range I'm using as shown in Equilab.

This is an ideal. It's 62% of hands.
Against two players in the blinds who are not defending enough, it will be even wider — up to Any Two Cards if they're tight enough.
Against players that push back a lot, it gets tighter — way tighter sometimes.

Note that the range shown in the diagram is from the days of 3BB opening from all positions.
You might need to tighten up if you get 3Bet a lot, or perhaps just lower your opening bet size, but that just allows them to 3Bet more.

If somebody has a solver and wants to post what a modern player opens from the button, I'd love to compare the two.


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aleasy77
Joined: 03.03.2014

For me is too many hands open on button from this range.
I see something about open raise hands on this site:
https://www.microgrinder.com/poker-strategy-articles/6-max-pre-flop-ranges/


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by aleasy77
For me is too many hands open on button from this range.
I see something about open raise hands on this się:
https://www.microgrinder.com/poker-strategy-articles/6-max-pre-flop-ranges//blockquote >
Wow!
That is super tight!
I'm amused that they image at the bottom is from Equilab.


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