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PLO50 A776ss 4way 3bet pot, slowplay turned nuts?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Both MP and CO are nice high vpip customers. BB is more of tag type player with decent ranges though tends to be somewhat on wide side. I think preflop in position is very standard and even though it doesnt flop that smooth I cant fold once I get these sort of pot odds/implieds. If MP and CO had somehow folded I think its probably fold for me?

Flop SPR is around 1. If it came folded to me I would probably take my chance of fe and shove with my hand. Now MP make this super weird 20% pot bet and I was kind of unsure if shove or call make more sense. Just thought that I probably dont have much fe and potentially getting BB to continue wide kind of improves my EV for most part. As I probably need to improve anyway to beat MP.

Turn give me nuts and SPR is only 0.5 or so. Based on flop action it seemed like villains dont have much of 2p or sets so I dont necessarily need much protection. Though do they bluff river ever or perhaps pay off with straight? No idea really. But felt like check still have best chance to get value.

River complete KQ straight and top set for AA. Though I doubt set is ever paying. I can have potentially some bluff like QQJ9 with Q♣: would probably be one of best bluff combos. At least from flush blocker view. As played on river I think nut or second nut flushes would most of time bet in villain shoes so blocking those has imo less value for bluff. But yeah this time we had nuts and obviously value shoving river.

Game #1905927417: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 16:10:35 2023/07/03
Seated players
Seat 1: Saalasti33cm (€54.90)
Seat 2: migeluu (€42.89)
Seat 3: DJIDS (€44.74)
Seat 4: Denizaaa (€50.58)
Seat 5: Okosas (€68.94)
Blinds and button
Okosas has the button
Saalasti33cm posts small blind €0.25
migeluu posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Okosas A♣:7♦:7♣:6♠:
Preflop
DJIDS raises €1.75 to €1.75
Denizaaa calls €1.75
Okosas calls €1.75
Saalasti33cm folds
migeluu raises €8.50 to €9
DJIDS calls €7.25
Denizaaa calls €7.25
Okosas calls €7.25
Flop J♣:T♣:2♦: (36.25€)
migeluu checks
DJIDS bets €6.50
Denizaaa folds
Okosas calls €6.50
migeluu calls €6.50
Turn 4♣: (55.75€)
migeluu checks
DJIDS checks
Okosas checks
River A♥: (55.75€)
migeluu checks
DJIDS checks
Okosas bets €53.44, and is all-in


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

You could Cbet turn small with the intention to shove the river. Now the shove is almost pot size.
Let's say $15 on the turn and shove on a blank river card.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Originally posted by SDK1987
You could Cbet turn small with the intention to shove the river. Now the shove is almost pot size.
Let's say $15 on the turn and shove on a blank river card.

Cheers,
SDK1987

As said SPR is 0.5 for effective stacks. Hero just has deeper stack compared to villains.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I see. Than shoving turn seems reasonable as well. If the board paired on the river it could end up nasty. Maybe 1 of them is over value sets on the turn as well, but slow playing is reasonable as well.


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PakerFace
Joined: 19.09.2010

Slow play, you pay. I would be very careful with checking back the nuts multiway. Giving up a free card to 2 opp might end up bad. I guess it's not as bad as 5c plo but still though. What would you do if river paired? Would you still ship it in just because SPR is 0.5?

The other thing you mentioned is that they are high VPIP so they will most likely make a call anyways.

Play like that makes sense being OOP to induce something, otherwise is just asking for trouble 3 way.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

Not my standard play but considering flop action I just felt both player ranges tend to be on weak side. Especially BB I dont really see ever just x-c with two pair or set. BB was actually not high vpip type but other guy was.

Well for reason above I would also shove pairing river for value. Facing shove from other players could be more of a debatable spot.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

So the question is which has more value 1) letting them get a free card and hope they hit something or bluff 2) betting to get value from whatever they might have (2 prs, sets, worse flushes, maybe even straightdraws).

Check cant be too bad but I would prefer betting on turn against these type of players. I think more often than not these "good customers" like to draw to that straight even when flush already got there.

SPR is very low, but maybe it could be an idea to bet smallish blockerbet OTT in position on such flush board.


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