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call sb A5s, c/r turn?

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domi222
Joined: 27.10.2007

I do not want to 3bet as he folds only 50 % so far and 4bets 25 % in 136 hands.

I want to find ways to win this hand against AT-A8 and 78.

what about a C/r turn , shove river here?

or a 133 % bet river?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.17, Hands: 136)
Hero (SB): 455.2 BB
BB: 70.04 BB
UTG: 142.72 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
MP: 116.24 BB (VPIP: 22.67, PFR: 15.41, 3Bet Preflop: 8.40, Hands: 355)
CO: 110.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5♠ A♠

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.48 BB, Hero calls 2.08 BB, BB calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (7.44 BB, 3 players) A♥ 6♣ 4♠
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets 2.28 BB, Hero calls 2.28 BB, BB calls 2.28 BB

Turn: (14.28 BB, 3 players) 6♠
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets 10.24 BB, Hero calls 10.24 BB, fold

River: (34.76 BB, 2 players) 7♣
Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows 5♠ A♠ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Pre 34%, Flop 24%, Turn 34%)
BTN shows A♦ T♣ (Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
(Pre 66%, Flop 76%, Turn 66%)
BTN wins 33.2 BB


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

recently I've been tightening waaaay up from SB vs BTN, in that I only 3Bet or fold.
So given BU's stats, this calls for a fold, because, as you correctly state, this isn't a spot to 3Bet.
As played, OTF you have top pair, but a crappy kicker, but two backdoor draws.
When the board pairs on the turn, your flush draw improves, but flush draws on paired boards are death traps.

Nicely checked OTR.


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briccius
Joined: 26.06.2007

Well played. Your other ideas are fancy play syndrome. Sometimes you lose with top pair, it's that simple. And there's nothing you can do about it. If you want to win every single hand, and start trying to bluff villains off top pair in BTN vs blinds spots, that is not going to lead you to a good place. Especially if, as stated, villain is not the type who likes to fold.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I don't think it's really bad to call with A5s out of position. Off course you need to be aware you could be dominated and than you can't do much else post-flop with the nut flush draw as back-up on the turn.

You could consider to change A5s in a bluff pre-flop with a 9bb 3bet in total, but if villain isn't folding often I think your current play is better. Folding is kind of tight with a suited ace against a BTN raise.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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1d4BestByTest
Joined: 11.12.2010

I think you are overusing stats here preflop. And making too big conclusions from small samples. How many hands are we speaking about, fold to 3bet% and 4bets? Likely those are tiny samples. Would we way differently if you have a note of an actual hand

I think just based on vpip/pfr (steal is also way more relevant stat here). You want to just 3bet here. Then I agree with posflop play.


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