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[Closed] Is it possible to fold KK pf without spideysenses or is it just unprofitable

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mjkirwan1980
Joined: 01.05.2008

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 ($118.68)
MP2 ($218.81)
MP3 ($79.90)
CO ($29.45)
Button ($44.76)
SB ($83.48)
BB ($101.78)
UTG ($58.50)
tykelknigt (UTG+1) ($100)

Preflop: tykelknigt is UTG+1 with K, K
1 fold, tykelknigt bets $3.50, MP1 raises $10, 1 fold, MP3 calls $10, 4 folds, tykelknigt raises $31.50, MP1 raises $108.68 (All-In), 1 fold, tykelknigt calls $65 (All-In)

Flop: ($211.50) 8, 9, 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($211.50) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($211.50) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $211.50

Question is....does the 4bet pf ALWAYS mean AA?? Are there specific player types I shoud be folding KK in this spot? Villain plays 26/5 after 200 hands.

If you tell me I have to just accept these hands thats fine I was just wondering if there were specific cases where I should be able to lay this down.

Thanks.


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

You can fold QQ, you can fold AK, but you can never fold KK.

Unless you are against a super nit and are 200BB+ deep


BogdanDin7
Joined: 29.04.2008

or unles you actually are spiderman


mjkirwan1980
Joined: 01.05.2008

my spidey senses were tingling but i called anyway. figure i just have to take my beats like a man.


caltabiano
Joined: 09.03.2007

You should at least call for suck out value =) Whereas it's impossible to put an opponent on AA specifically, it is possible to put some opponents on KK+, and when you hold a pair of kings, KK+ means 10% KK and 90% AA =)


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

To be more precise: a fold itself doesn't have negative expectation.
But a fold following a 3bet has!

At the same time a shove has positive expectation.
So the best option is to shove.

KK is just too strong to fold as my previous posters said.