[Closed] NL200 FR 55 OOP call pre?

Agree. I would have thought that on nl200 you are even less likely to get paid off when you hit.

I have to admit that I do still call sometimes oop, particularly against a tight ep raise.

In regards to your comments about check raise, I am not sure. I agree that pps may not be good hands to check raise when you don't hit your set. but I guess you have to have some bluffs or semi-bluffing your check/raise range, otherwise you are readable as always having a strong hand when you do it.

ofc sometimes you can c/r when you have reads and feeling for the moment and also to mix up the play.

my comment was more that one should not c/r frequently

What you say is a bit contradicory:
On the one hand you said people are folding to your checkraises on the flop all the time when you have a set, but on the other hand your bluff-checkraises don't work too often because the opponents play back.

Maybe the boards you pick for bluffcheckraising differ from the ones you hit your sets on and c/r?
Or you c/r the wrong people/in the wrong spots?

To get to your question: It's hard to make a general statement, in my experience/from my calculations I found that you can't call for setvalue against CO or BU-raises because peoples ranges are too wide to give you the implied odds you need.

When they sit UTG or in MP a call is ok most of the time (I only know this for shorthanded tables, but I guess it's the same on a FR table because the ranges are tighter as well) because their ranges contain more hands that are willing to pay off a c/r and maybe an additional bet.
That's what I found in my experience, it's hard to make statements about this and I think you'll hear a lot of different opinions when you ask different people...

Mhmm, you are right - good comment. I typically use TAG opponents (or weak players) who C-bet a lot for my c/r move on flop and preferably on dry board with low cards, where he likely did not hit. Which is right I believe?

You don´t want to c/r flop against LAG or maniac or call station as they are not capable of folding too much.. Maybe my negative experience with this move is that I frequenty second barreled turn if they called me on flop (to push them off the hand and represent set) which lead me to some costly mistakes.

Against CO and BU I agree, I almost always 3-bet my PP OOP, find it better than cold calling OOP.

Originally posted by jekyll001
Mhmm, you are right - good comment. I typically use TAG opponents (or weak players) who C-bet a lot for my c/r move on flop and preferably on dry board with low cards, where he likely did not hit. Which is right I believe?

Yes and no.
A TAG is usually capable of folding weak hands - but he doesn't have too many of them because he plays tight aggressive ;).
So in general I would look for spots in which people open wide and cbet wide, but they rarely hit - and you also want to be able to represent a strong range.

So in general lowcard-drawy boards are nice for blufcheckraising as you can represent a lot of draws (they put you on SCs and small PPs once you call OOP) and they have highcards a lot which they're cbet/folding.
Ofc some opponents like to check back and give up on those boards in which case you should of course not bluff-c/r.
As I said it's hard to give general advice here, you have to look at the opponents range individually for every spot.

yep, good post