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Originally posted by verneer

Your learning really takes off when you achieve a certain inner-calmness about what you are trying to do. In college, I went to listen to a legendary coach talk about success. He said "soccer must mean everything to you. It must also mean nothing at the same time." I had a hard time wrapping my head around that at the time, and still kind of do. Basically - you must fully commit to the process and don't let bad results cloud you.

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Originally posted by verneer

lol I only play one table at a time ( why full ring? because its less swingy?)

You tell me why Full Ring :)

Hurry up with the 100 posts dude!!! I like your style

Thanks! I have plenty of writing out there but I'm not sure what I am and am not allowed to post on this forum.

For example, here is an article that was recently used for an MIT class
(just skip to page 6 of the document):
http://web.mit.edu/willma/www/readings_from_building_a_bankroll.pdf

It includes part of a section about Playing Turns and Rivers. Some of it is advanced, some of it is basic. Still - I've tried to include both a variety of concepts I think are necessary for others to think about ("Betting for Pot Control") as well as my own overarching thought process in those situations.

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fullring because there is less variance and I can play a tighter style without having to worry about big downswings?

Downloaded your link and sent to my laptop ( i'm working away from home this week and staying in hotel) will be saturating my small brain with this info all week, thank you :)

Why are you not coaching on ps? have they made you an offer yet? I googled your name, you are a legend :)


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Originally posted by WillyDI don't think i'm the most qualified person to answer those questions... I'm only a poor NL10 player but i'm gonna give it a shot and I wouldn't be surprised bu bad comments :) don't be shy to correct me

Putting yourself out there is how I learn as well. Nothing ventured, nothing gained :)

1- People suggest to 3bet or fold the small pocket pairs out of position because, usually a good TAG will only be aggressive with his made hands and won't go crazy with his top pair or a flush draw... So even if you hit your set you won't be able to extract a huge value out of this player a large amount of times. Of course, sometimes you will be able to stack off but the amount of time this will happen is quite small.

Lots of truth there.

Another possible scenario case permitting you to call those small pocket pairs profitably is if your image at the table is very loose, then a good TAG could be inclined to stack off easier against you.

But won't you always be crushed or flipping when you get 22-44 AIPF?


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Originally posted by roopopper
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fullring because there is less variance and I can play a tighter style without having to worry about big downswings?

As a teacher, I can promise you that the answer is both more meaningful and better understood if you think about it longer on your own. That said, I will post two reasons in a spoiler:

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1. The blinds impact you less.
2. Ranges are more defined.

Downloaded your link and sent to my laptop ( i'm working away from home this week and staying in hotel) will be saturating my small brain with this info all week, thank you :)

Cool! Let me know what you think. I'm always looking for feedback in anything I do.

Why are you not coaching on ps? have they made you an offer yet? I googled your name, you are a legend :)

I don't know how any of that works - I'm still trying to figure out how to post pictures. It's unlikely that I will make videos for PS anytime soon though due to my involvement with CardRunners.


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Originally posted by roopopper

Why are you not coaching on ps? have they made you an offer yet? I googled your name, you are a legend :)

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posting pics is easy

google imgur... select computer... open pic... download....select thumnail....select forum and message boards.....copy

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Originally posted by 1984iocCan you let me know how to get in contact with you regards coaching Verneer,that is of course if you don't mind and still have openings.

At this point, I would rather avoid the topic of individual coaching. At some point I might offer some free coaching, and when I do, I'll be sure to discuss the details of that in this blog.

Thank you for the vote of confidence though :)


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ok off to bed have work in 6 hours,thanks for the hint about why fullring, going to spend sometime thinking about it.

Roo ( the pic poster) :f_biggrin:


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Originally posted by 1984ioc
Can someone please tell me how to subscribe to threads.Absolutely love this already.BTW that image is crazy how it tricks our brains

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Can you let me know how to get in contact with you regards coaching Verneer,that is of course if you don't mind and still have openings.

"add thread to favourites" at top right of thread


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Only one page and I learned a lot. Very different style of learning compared to other styles. Had to look twice before I noticed the second fault in text (picture).

1. Why do people give that advice?
2. When should you deviate from the advice?

I'm a beginner so I can't answer these questions. But I'm doing research so maybe I can answer both questions soon.

Btw. When is your book coming? And is it also available as e-book?


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Live Action versus Replayer Videos

When I first started playing poker, I remember how revolutionary the idea of watching videos of great players playing at their computer and discussing their thought process. To me, it was the perfect learning supplement to the stuff I would read on the forums. All the videos were Live Action videos - a player would sit down, turn on Camtasia, and talk for 50 minutes while playing.

Taylor Caby, the founder of CardRunners, was notorious for his lengthy explanations during which he would have to hit the timer to get all his thoughts in. I remember one specific hand at 5/10 where he had the nuts and was involved in a $2,000+ pot where he kept talking and talking and finally the timer ran out and he folded. He was really tilted because of this.

I was a member of multiple training sites - trying to sink in as much as possible. I remember watching a video by BobboFittos on LeggoPoker which was the first replayer format video. Bobbo recorded a session earlier and then went back and discussed the action using pauses and rewinding. Now it seems like close to 100% of videos are replayer videos. They tend to be much smoother.

In terms of your own growth as a player, I believe that making a video and then watching it either with a friend or by yourself is a great learning experience. Two things are likely to happen:

1. If you try to explain your decisions while you play you will realize that it's difficult if you play a few tables and nearly impossible if you play your normal number of tables.

2. When you go back and watch the video, you are likely to be surprised you played some hands the way you did. I'm not talking about hands that you clearly thought you misplayed in the moment you played them. I'm talking about hands that you forgot and then seeing them on video will genuinely surprise you. You will say "That's not a play I usually make." Guess what - it probably is.

I think everyone would benefit from making a short 25 minute video of their play and then going back and reflecting on it. Socrates said "An unexamined life is not worth living." Watching yourself play is an eye-opening experience. I honestly think that some players wouldn't want to do it because of the sheer fear of what they will see. Their egos will not allow them to face reality. That's a whole other discussion though. For now, if you decide to do it, here are some things to pay attention to:

1. How quickly do you make decisions? Are you giving off any timing tells?

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Yes, you are.

2. Is there anything that surprised you about your play? What was it and why did it surprise you?

3. What were your most difficult decisions in that session? Are those normally areas that you have trouble with? Why do you think you have trouble there?

I want to return to the discussion about live action vs. replayer videos in a later post. For now, we agree that poker is about decision making, right? It started with me noticing that most people are able to come up with the right action to a given hand that they see in the forums, but then they make lots of fundamental mistakes when they are actually playing at the tables. This was surprising at first.

It made me wonder - why is it that all these people are experts in the forums but losing or break-even players at the tables? This question was a turning point for me in my pursuit to understand why some people are long-term winners and others are not. It once again highlighted a key area of poker which makes it different from other intellectual pursuits like solving a math problem or puzzle.


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Welcome to our blogs section verneer :) good to see you here! Things turned around from when I just welcomed you and now you have a super blog already!

Also, your pictures are showing perfectly now :)

Enjoy your stay in our community! If You need any help, just catch me on Skype (below in my sig).

Ingrid


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Originally posted by matel17
Hi Verneer :)

I think part of the answer for the question in your first post "Why do some people win and other don't in the long run?" is consistency vs inconsistency.

The successful players are all consistent with their education. They're patient, passionate and they keep going at it. Others don't. And I believe this holds some truth in any discipline: martial arts, music, sports and even going through college for example.

I think the reason so many are inconsistent is that it is an extremely uncomfortable psychological place to be in the beginning. After the initial 'honeymoon period' reality kicks in and it's hard. It's hard because everything is unknown and unfamiliar - the strategy, the swings, the emotions, money handling, hundreds of daily distractions etc. etc. all contribute to becoming an inconsistent student of the game.

Just my two cents anyway.

I wanted to wait to reply to your post, but I think I can do it now. Let's talk more about what it means to be "consistent." For example, here is a example of a consistent and probably very passionate player:

I do believe that passion is important in long-term success for the reasons you mentioned. I also believe that some derivative of consistency is important, but there is more to it ...


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Originally posted by IngridN
Welcome to our blogs section verneer :) good to see you here! Things turned around from when I just welcomed you and now you have a super blog already!

Also, your pictures are showing perfectly now :)

Thanks - I very very impressed at how welcoming the PS staff is to everyone! Also, I'm very happy about the pictures (it's the little things in life, right?). I think it makes for much smoother blogging/reading experience I think :)


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Originally posted by verneer

Originally posted by IngridN
Welcome to our blogs section verneer :) good to see you here! Things turned around from when I just welcomed you and now you have a super blog already!

Also, your pictures are showing perfectly now :)

Thanks - I very very impressed at how welcoming the PS staff is to everyone! Also, I'm very happy about the pictures (it's the little things in life, right?). I think it makes for much smoother blogging/reading experience I think :)

Definitely, pics FTW! :) so you better post more for us now!

Our community is very friendly and very curious too, we normally have billions of questions to every newcomer and try to get to know each other. Like a virtual family :heart:

also, please look around and read other blogs, we have many wonderful community members blogging about their lives, poker and share random sweetness! Promise you'll enjoy!

Looking forward to read more from you
Ingi


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Originally posted by michel2311Btw. When is your book coming? And is it also available as e-book?

I hope to get the proof today, make final edits this week, print the first batch, and then ship to everyone that pre-ordered on in a week.

No e-book right now. In general, I believe that this is one of those books that will be much, much better to study as a printed copy - you can highlight sections, write in it, and be able to jump around the content quickly. That's not to say that I won't offer an e-book at some point, but I simply have no plans to do it now. I looked at Amazon.com Kindle and the terms are just very bad for authors whose book sells for more than $10.

Writing, editing, and publish a book has been a really interesting experience. I've learned so much since I started doing it. The next stage is coming up - getting feedback on the product.

I'm really looking forward to getting some feedback on it.


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Originally posted by IngridNalso, please look around and read other blogs, we have many wonderful community members blogging about their lives, poker and share random sweetness! Promise you'll enjoy!

I saw one about killing Frenchies and thought "oh my!"


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no longer a leper i see! hi verneer! a very warm welcome from me too.

i'm glad the image issue was sorted out and thanks for the patience. :f_love:

i like how you write in your blog, esp your opening post. really honest and straightforward. more power and much love.

smiles,
wendy


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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008
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Oh look, verneer! HOWCOOLISTHAT?!

used to love watching your vids man, sure as hell gonna follow your blog too ;)


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Welcome to PS. I'm looking forward to some insight into the benefits of achieving inner calm whilst playing. Whenever I get there, I look up, and 4 BI have gone. Maybe I'm just a terror junkie. Or am I confusing inner calm with mental torpor?


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