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ListenAces Topic starter
ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

As I've gotten pointed out to me, result orientation seem to be a major issue I need to get handled.
I guess partly it is my own fault, and partly it is external pressure trying to validate that
me playing poker is a bad idea.
So I go for winning, so I always can have the argument.
Well I'm ahead so your comment about me losing all my money is false.

I can see how this will be unhelpful in the long run.
Telling them
, to back of can help, but also backfire.
Then they will surely believe that I've lost it all and that I finance my playing trough
credit-card debt...

An over exaggeration, but you get my point. Get used to me exaggerating on purpose. ;)

The reality is that I gave myself permission to play poker by walking past the candy store
a couple of times and deposited the candy money on stars.

So to me that money is just like a candy bar, consumed without thought.
Sadly this point is lost on certain individuals.

I will stop appeasing their projected result orientation.
I just got the idea to tell them when they ask how the poker playing goes the precise
exaggeration I just wrote.
I've lost everything and have  $50.000 unpaid credit card debt,
but if I just use $50.000 more I'm sure to win it back! :f_biggrin:

After that I can concentrate on the part that is generated by me.
For I'm probably not blameless in this result focus. :rolleyes:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Small distinction I've made, 12 BigBets is not the same 12 big blinds... :f_eek:

So I've been playing with too little money at the table.
I've sat down with the amount that I was suggested to rebuy at.
This I experienced when I sat down at stars after ticking of auto-rebuy under 12 BigBets
So I did that and after the blinds was taken I was immediately bumped up to $2.50
I was like WTF just happened? Did I just get money out of nowhere?
Then I realized that I had that system activated and after careful scrutiny understood
that I had mixed up BigBlind with BigBets both BB... xD


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xxInspectorxx
Joined: 24.09.2011

AFAIK
BB=BigBets
bb=bigblinds

Nice thread. I like your self analysis stuff! GLGL!


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

I see thanks! :)
Since I'm very into psychology you can count on more of that. ;)


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Today I've started playing with half the startinghands chart memorized.
I'm going to memorize the rest too, but right now I have Very strong to mediocre
memorized. Seems like the right thing to do to just know that stuff by heart.
Then I can free up space for other information that I need to deal with.

Other than that I'm still playing 5c/10c.
In the interest of trying to not be so result oriented, I won't harp on about if I'm up or down.
I've been taking a lot of notes lately and some of the information I've gathered is really starting
to help me when I put it together. You get these collections of indicators that separate don't mean too much, but together is a good indication of certain traits. _cool:

Gee I'm starting to sound like a psychologist studying subjects... :rolleyes:

Anyway I feel on the right track.
But I guess I haven’t stated any firm goals other than memorizing the charts
and testing 10c/20c after making $40.

I will set two goals.
Getting silver on PS from playing 770. (Provided I get points there that transfer here)
Working myself up to a skill and bankroll level that can tolerate $0.50/$1 play. (On stars)

If I get to these levels I can reorient and look further head down the road. :f_biggrin:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

I'm starting to realize what info I need to pay attention to and what ranges of info
that are still outside of my world.
I've just now printed the 7 first bronze charts.
I got a hold of the first in chart from the vid before getting bronze and didn't realize that
there was more to get before now.
Been a bit busy in the real world too, so only today did I sit down to have an article session
to remind myself about the basic concepts.

I've posted some hand analysis threads and they have been really helpful getting me to
understand some points I found a bit tricky.
Thanks guys! :f_biggrin:

Now all I need is playtime, analysis, theory and discussion and I should get good in no-time. :f_cool:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Earned my first point on 770.
Haven't played very much there yet.
Only about 90 hands.
I'm still very unsure about how the point system works.
The point on 770 didn't translate to a point here so I dunno.
Doesn't really matter as I've got enough information overload by the bronze vids
especially pre-flop as it is there most of the new info has manifested.
I've been exposed to the post-flop stuff before in some form or another.
Not that it isn't valuable as a refresh of stuff I kinda knew makes me that much
more effective.

I've printed out the Big blind defence chart and the small blind call chart as I've figured
that those two are spots in my game with little attention.
I feel that I fold too many hands there,
so it suits me just fine to start working on integrating those.
It is also very easy to know when to use them as getting the blinds is a very obvious
happening at the table that is hard to miss.
I've gotten fairly used to the first in chart and use it fairly consistently now.
The main starting hands chart is almost completely memorized and I look forward to taking
it don't from the wall and leaving an open space for more advanced info.

Other than that not much new to report other than the new shoes I just bought. :f_cool:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

I've gotten a little hint that I should pay more attention to my opponents.
I've already got a little labelling thing going on at stars,
so I went out and read a bunch of stuff about what different people felt
was important to pay attention to when taking notes and labelling.

I've realized that whatever system you develop it should be easy to use and read.
And also make sense to you.

I've fallen down on only recording facts.
And have developed some small fact categories that are easy to spot and can be applied
to lots of people fast. I'm spending a sizeable amount of time now to just observing tables
and labelling people into different groups.
Always trying to find people that qualify for the green weak/fish label! :f_love:
Those are getting more common in the start screen now to my delight and ease
of table selection. :f_biggrin:

I will add stuff slowly as I think it is frivolous to add a bunch of info you don't understand.
It just add meaningless complexity. A little sound info is better than a lot of garbage.


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Played a session with all my new info and trying to integrate it.
I also have worked on not paying attention to the results short term.
This I do by just having 12 BB as buyin and having auto rebuy every time
it drops down bellow $1.20 my rebuy.
So the only change I see is upward and I can pine over how much exactly I've lost.
All I see are $1.20 or above.

Unfortunately I lost quite a lot this session relatively speaking.
But then again who care it is only my candy money.
I can rebuy if I have to with more candy money if I need to burn this to build skill. _cool:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Looking forward to a 2 hour train-ride + a couple of days at a cabin in Sweden.
I will only bring printed out poker articles and copys of charts.
If I'm bored then I can always look at those! _cool:

I need to have the theory at my fingertips in order to make as few mistakes as possible.
And to learn as fast as possible from the ones I'm doomed to make.
I'm feeling quite confident that this is doable now. _biggrin: _biggrin: _biggrin:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Man 770 sent me a mail that I didn't play enough and they have now revoked the bonus...
Gee how much is enough exactly?
I've just gotten the hang of that place and now it is gone?

I don't like you 770... _mad:

***Just checked it to be sure $0.00

Well that is their problem.
I will just continue playing some other site stars is my fav anyway.


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Tried to locate a list over strategy point sites and found a list here.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/status-points/

It also shows what the strategy point conversion rate is.

Right now 770, Pokerstars and WilliamHill are no go.
Since I've played there before and won't get any tracking there soon.
770 is technically tracked, but I sure won't play them for points anytime soon.
Only if every other site is a no go. _evil:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Put down some time to play the last two days.
I lost a bit on the 5cent level and decided to drop down to 2cent
until I got the charts down pat. No reason to drain my bankroll
while I'm stumbling trough unfamiliar material.

It reminds me of my old Aikido teacher who said
"Learn technique with cooperative opponent, then try on resisting opponent."

To waste my money struggling to learn on too high a level will only
slow my progress right now.

The concept of ranges is arising wherever I turn right now.
So I need to look more into it.

On the good news side, I've fixed my netbook up with pokerstars
and can now play anywhere in the house if needed.
I've even gotten permission to install it on my girlfriends PC.
So now I can play at her place too, giving me many more opportunities
to play and get some experience under my belt. _cool:


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Baluuu111
Joined: 08.02.2010

No reason to drain my bankroll while I'm stumbling trough unfamiliar material.

I think, you should play on that level, you feel good, but definitly should move up the limits if you have the required BR and knowledge.

The concept of ranges is arising wherever I turn right now. So I need to look more into it.

I suggest use the Strategy's Equilab, and later on, the Combonator will help you a lot.

I've even gotten permission to install it on my girlfriends PC.

May send a massage about it to poker site, I dunno it could cause you trouble, but better to be careful. :)


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

As long as I'm not logged in from several locations at once,
I don't think it will be an issue.
I can hardly be the first who finds it practical to play at multiple locations.
It kinda ruins the most practical aspect of online play if that should be an issue.

I don't have the knowledge to play at 5cent that is the point.
I mess up cause I try to read charts that are unfamiliar to me.
This is only a temporary move down, for say a couple of weeks
until I'm more comfortable with the charts.
It not like a permanent retreat.
I don't think it is a good idea to lock oneself onto a level
come hell and high water.
You have to be smart and see things in context.
The context for me right now is learning a lot of technical details.
Therefore I go down a limit until I have enough surplus to see the
full picture and have the info integrated.

Those two pieces of software are probably good,
but I don't imagine myself getting good if all I do is trust a computer program.
That I can do later when I have a better understanding I think.


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

So I've played some, been taking notes like a crazy person.
Every time I feel like doing some poker, but realize that my emotional state is too unbalanced
or that I'm too tired to play well, I just sit down and take some notes on massive amounts
of opponents. (100+)
I label them into categories and try to find as many people as possible to get the
green nice colour of weak/fish. But other info that may help determine who I'm dealing with
is welcome too.

Lately I've gotten myself embroiled in some very messed up hands.
Some I've posted in the hand evaluation forum and some I'm going to post.

Basically I get a good made hand and then the board turns to shit on turn/river
with accompanied frenzied betting from the opposition.

I realize that this is just variance, but it sucks to lay down a set cause you just know
that at least one opponent has to have a straight. And sure enough they do...
At least I save some money spotting the issue. _cool:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Been reading the basic articles over and over on the bus to work.
I'm starting to realize some very neat little distinctions.

I'm of course going by the old Chinese saying

"I fear not the 10 000 kicks you have practised once,
but the one kick you have practised 10 000 times."

Now that way of going at things are very "intuitive".
Making sure that my subconscious have clear access to all the basics so that
I can spontaneously make the right decisions on the spot.

Aside from what I'm doing on the bus,
I'm also trying to get the charts that fill the wall around the screen of my computer.
In addition I'm posting hands on the evaluation forum.
And the feedback I'm getting from various members on this forum is like gold.
Avataren have given me many a kind hint about how to take notes and how to spot fish.

I'm also gotten advice on using the Pokerstars software and I'm planning to use it somehow
somewhere in some idealized future. I'm having trouble understanding how to utilize it in
a meaningful way right now. I suspect that my skills aren't at the level where I will gain
from it's usage. So I will leave it be for now. That stuff is just one kick too many right now.

In general I must say that I feel my poker understanding has sky-rocketed after joining this site.
I'm quite aware that this is a long hard journey that isn't easily fixed in one session.
Kind of like martial arts training. You put in many hard sessions and after many months and
years you finally gain superb skill. _cool:


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Avataren
Joined: 28.04.2010

I really like how you analyze everything about yourself. your not only on a poker adventure but also an adventure to explore your inner thoughts and feelings nice job.

wanna see me play again to learn more ? or me watching you and we can talk about this and that. 5/10c is no problem. im sure just you get a few more stuff learned you will easily be grinding this for a good winrate.

on the other hand if you don't like 5/10c with your current mindset just stay at 2c/4c. no shame in that. as you say yourself. Your bankroll will only thank you for staying at a level your comfortable at.


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Lately I've focused on just getting more time refining my game.
Just getting to experience more hands and how to deal with them.
I'm still playing at 2 cent a strategy that have stopped my losses
and almost restored my bankroll.
In addition I feel much more confident about my new style of playing.
I notice that my approach is much different and that I start to understand some
of the reasons why some things are good play and some things are bad play.

I've also started to test how it is to multi-table in play money.
It is quite challenging to follow two tables at once,
but when I return to one, I notice an increase in concentration and awareness.
I will include some more two table sessions from now on as a good practice.
But I won't try to do more tables on cash tables yet.

Other than that I've found that I play best alone and other people watching/present
really mess up my game most of the time. It is too much to deal with social interaction
and playing my A-game. It is a nice lesson to learn early on I guess. _cool:


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ListenAces
Joined: 12.03.2013

Okay, I'm back up at 5cent/10cent.
Played some just now and it went okay.
I notice that I pay much better attention to what I need to do.
Obviously practicing on the charts on 2cent was the right move.
I'm quite sure I wouuld have busted my bankroll if I didn't.

When I compare my progress with other skills like playing the guitar
I find that the charts are kinda like memorizing a melody.
At first you can't play it well even while looking.
After a while you can play it well by looking,
and then you can even play it somewhat while not looking,
the last step is to play well without looking. _cool:


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