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Originally posted by GraveGoods

Here's my last 12 hour graph...

Ouch, bad variance. My last 3k hands are even worse though (all NL2):

How do you cope with that? Just laugh and only look at the red line or do you slam your face in the wall every so often just like me? (just kidding ;) )


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

:tongue:

That graph - variance does suck a lot!

Well obviously from last night you can see I get pretty tilted. I can shrug off a lot now though. Obviously I've still got tilt issues but they're more while I play, when I finished last night I looked at the red line and was actually pretty happy with myself, I just need to implement that attitude while I play!

Here's my entire graph of NL2, I started early August.

As you can see there is a sharp decline around the 30k hand mark. Product of tilt :tongue:

This is why we should not bang our heads against a wall!


roopopper
Joined: 31.12.2010
PokerStrategist

great blog really enjoyed reading through this :)

Roo


50K hands :O I am so jealous, even when trying to get some volume I rarely go over 1k a day. not even 8k total so far :(.

I only manage 4 tables though.


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by roopopper
great blog really enjoyed reading through this :)

Roo

Cheers man :)

Originally posted by Firefly52
50K hands :O I am so jealous, even when trying to get some volume I rarely go over 1k a day. not even 8k total so far :(.

I only manage 4 tables though.

I started in August with 4 tables but I quickly adapted. As soon as you know the Starting hand Charts you can keep adding. I added 2 at a time but you've got to keep your wits about you and make sure you're not bleeding money :tongue: For example I've dropped back to 8 for today just while I'm running bad, because you don't want to play badly as well as run bad at the same time, and this makes sure I am concentrating more.

I play for 4-6 hours a day and study for 1-2 hours also. Weekends I try to double it but 8 hours per day is normal for a weekend. That is days I am not busy though, obviously! :tongue:


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_Anonymous_

Wahey! Swings and roundabouts...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.06)
Hero ($2.68)
UTG ($1.98)
UTG+1 ($0.93)
UTG+2 ($0.77)
MP1 ($1.24)
CO ($2.50)
BTN ($0.81)

CO posts (SB) $0.01

Dealt to Hero K♥ K♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $0.01, BTN calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, CO raises to $0.22, fold, Hero raises to $0.52, CO raises to $2.50 (AI), Hero calls $1.98

FLOP ($5.03) T♣ 2♥ K♠

TURN ($5.03) T♣ 2♥ K♠ 4♠

RIVER ($5.03) T♣ 2♥ K♠ 4♠ 9♥

Hero shows K♥ K♦
(Pre 18%, Flop 89.8%, Turn 95.5%)

CO shows A♠ A♦
(Pre 82%, Flop 10.2%, Turn 4.5%)

Hero wins $4.70


vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008
Oldschool Grinder

My coach always tells me "Double your betsize - double your winrate".

It's not the whole truth ofc but there is alot of truth to it. :)

Hat off to the sick grind!


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by vonki
My coach always tells me "Double your betsize - double your winrate".

It's not the whole truth ofc but there is alot of truth to it. :)

Hat off to the sick grind!

Ha that's some good advice!

2 big hands I played after reading that...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($7.88)
BB ($2)
UTG ($2.54)
UTG+1 ($1.65)
UTG+2 ($1.30)
Hero ($2.04)
MP2 ($1)
CO ($2.30)
BTN ($3.16)

Dealt to Hero A♥ A♣

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.08

FLOP ($0.23) A♦ 7♣ J♣

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16

TURN ($0.55) A♦ 7♣ J♣ K♦

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.38, UTG+1 calls $0.38

RIVER ($1.31) A♦ 7♣ J♣ K♦ 8♦

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.65, UTG+1 folds

Hero shows A♥ A♣

Hero wins $1.23

And then this guy was obviously holding out for the flush, so I just 3-bet him all in...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($5.04)
Hero ($2)
UTG ($1)
UTG+1 ($5.20)
UTG+2 ($2.12)
MP1 ($1.58)
MP2 ($2.97)
CO ($0.98)
BTN ($2.07)

Dealt to Hero 5♠ 5♥

fold, fold, fold, fold, MP2 calls $0.02, fold, fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

FLOP ($0.06) 6♠ 3♠ 3♥

SB checks, Hero bets $0.04, MP2 calls $0.04, SB folds

TURN ($0.14) 6♠ 3♠ 3♥ 5♦

Hero bets $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10

RIVER ($0.34) 6♠ 3♠ 3♥ 5♦ Q♠

Hero bets $0.17, MP2 raises to $0.34, Hero raises to $1.84 (AI), MP2 calls $1.50

MP2 shows 8♠ 9♠
(Pre 51%, Flop 49.7%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows 5♠ 5♥
(Pre 49%, Flop 50.3%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $3.76


vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008
Oldschool Grinder
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_Anonymous_

Grrr... is there anyway to not go broke against trips?

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($6.58)
BB ($2.53)
UTG ($6.14)
UTG+1 ($2.68)
UTG+2 ($0.94)
MP1 ($1.89)
Hero ($2)
BTN ($1.09)

Dealt to Hero K♥ K♣

fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.10, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.08

FLOP ($0.23) Q♠ 6♥ 8♥

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.16, UTG+1 calls $0.16

TURN ($0.55) Q♠ 6♥ 8♥ 4♦

UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.40, UTG+1 raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $1.74 (AI), UTG+1 calls $0.94

RIVER ($4.03) Q♠ 6♥ 8♥ 4♦ 3♥

UTG+1 shows 6♦ 6♠
(Pre 20%, Flop 87.2%, Turn 95.5%)

Hero shows K♥ K♣
(Pre 80%, Flop 12.8%, Turn 4.5%)

UTG+1 wins $3.77


vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Usually when people raise you (and even more so in FR) on the turn, a 1 pair type hand isnt good very often.

If you think about his holding here, after limp/calling preflop, he will have alot of smallish pocketpairs in his range, depending on the player some suited connectors (which now has 2p or maybe even a straight), and probably even some Qxs hands which also have 2 pairs.

Especially when a passive player raises you, this should set off alarmclocks in your head (and we can assume he is passive because he limp/called). It may sound strange to you, but you don't beat many hands on the turn. But ask yourself this:

Can you think of a hand that you beat that would play this way?


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by vonki
Usually when people raise you (and even more so in FR) on the turn, a 1 pair type hand isnt good very often.

If you think about his holding here, after limp/calling preflop, he will have alot of smallish pocketpairs in his range, depending on the player some suited connectors (which now has 2p or maybe even a straight), and probably even some Qxs hands which also have 2 pairs.

Especially when a passive player raises you, this should set off alarmclocks in your head (and we can assume he is passive because he limp/called). It may sound strange to you, but you don't beat many hands on the turn. But ask yourself this:

Can you think of a hand that you beat that would play this way?

Hmm, I'm obviously not thinking through it enough! You make clear sense. The only hand that I can beat here is AQ, KQ I guess, but I doubt that would be played so strong or even call a raise pre flop although you do see it at these stakes.

So I should just be folding to the min raise on the turn I guess, I still get blinded by the cowboys and I need to start thinking more rationally.

----------

Well my session for today is over, ended £3.14 up over 1050 hands. Not bad volume really, could do maybe 3k if I weren't going out. Tomorrow I shall try and hit 3k as it's the last day of the rake race


vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Really well done to pick up on what i wrote. :)

Even if he would play KQ/AQ that way it's very unlike that 1) He limp/calls preflop with those hands (even though as you say it doesn happen) and 2) For such a passive player (who would limp/call AQ/KQ) to play it that strongly postflop. They more often then not tend to c/c down.

Even if you can include AQ/KQ in his range, i think there are clearly a bigger amount of hands that beat you still. So yes, a clear fold.

We all know how hard it is to fold TP or overpairs, and this is also the reason why it's so effective to setmine. :f_grin:

Once you learn to pick up on these things you will be able to fold and save yourself alot of money and thereby also increase your winrate. Winning is not all about winning, but about not losing money aswell.

Where are you from btw? How old are you etc? Couldn't find an introduction anywhere :)


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by vonki
Really well done to pick up on what i wrote. :)

Even if he would play KQ/AQ that way it's very unlike that 1) He limp/calls preflop with those hands (even though as you say it doesn happen) and 2) For such a passive player (who would limp/call AQ/KQ) to play it that strongly postflop. They more often then not tend to c/c down.

Even if you can include AQ/KQ in his range, i think there are clearly a bigger amount of hands that beat you still. So yes, a clear fold.

We all know how hard it is to fold TP or overpairs, and this is also the reason why it's so effective to setmine. :f_grin:

Once you learn to pick up on these things you will be able to fold and save yourself alot of money and thereby also increase your winrate. Winning is not all about winning, but about not losing money aswell.

Where are you from btw? How old are you etc? Couldn't find an introduction anywhere :)

I'm from Reading in England, 23 years old. I've got a full time job but I normally play more hours of poker a week than I spend at my job. I even use my breaks at work and journeys to and from to study articles :f_biggrin:

I started playing poker daily just over a year ago. Started with limit, started learning more, played No Limit SNG's for ages and moved up to the $10 BI's at FT. That was probably just fish on a heater though! I had to move back down all the way to the beginning! I didn't lose my roll but I just found it way too swingy and made me very tilted :tongue: It was silly really, I played SNG's because you win more, but after playing for ages I realised I was winning nothing! I was breaking even but the rake made me a losing player. So then I decided to play Super Turbo's for some reason :f_confused: lost the majority of my bankroll.

I then started learning cash games, I find it more interesting with a lot more to learn and not as swingy which is a major bonus for me. I've already had shots at NL4 but I had to move back down after some major tilting. Hopefully will progress and move up through the limits :f_biggrin:


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_Anonymous_

Just put in an hour now before watching the football. Only 1 interesting hand really...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($2.11)
BB ($5)
UTG ($4.92)
UTG+1 ($3.16)
UTG+2 ($5.35)
MP1 ($5.05)
Hero ($2.10)
CO ($1.81)
BTN ($1.40)

Dealt to Hero J♥ J♦

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, BTN calls $0.08, fold, BB calls

FLOP ($0.19) A♥ J♠ Q♠

Hero bets $0.14, BTN calls $0.14

TURN ($0.47) A♥ J♠ Q♠ 3♣

Hero bets $0.30, BTN calls $0.30

RIVER ($1.07) A♥ J♠ Q♠ 3♣ K♦

Hero bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

BTN shows Q♥ Q♣
(Pre 58%, Flop 77.6%, Turn 88.1%)

BB shows 9♣ K♠
(Pre 25%, Flop 17.4%, Turn 9.5%)

Hero shows J♥ J♦
(Pre 18%, Flop 5.0%, Turn 2.4%)

BTN wins $1.75

I was worried that he had a T so the bet on the river is a small bet because I didn't want to show weakness and see an all in, as that would be a great time to bluff. I forget what that's called, a blocking bet?

I thought I'd share something I've noticed recently that works pretty well. If someone limps in to a pot that you're involved in, maybe you're the blind or you have a small pair and it ends up being just you vs villain and you're out of position, and you miss the flop, but it looks good enough for a bluff try check raising and then lead out on the turn with 3/4 pot bet. This normally gets a call on the flop and a fold on the turn from the villain. This works quite a lot of the time! This is probably because the villain hasn't got a great holding (limped - small pair, suited connectors, AXs) and to see a bet here they would need something like TP, an overpair. Couldn't have a straight or flush draw as they wouldn't bet out on the flop, couldn't have a monster because they'd probably 3 bet you on the flop. So they're normally holding something that's not worth playing on with! _biggrin: Anyone see any flaws in this play? I don't want to implement it into my game if it's actually a pretty donk move :tongue:

Anyway, football kicks off in half an hour! I'm off to the pub.


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_Anonymous_

There are some huge fish online tonight Love Sunday's.

WARNING: EPIC POT

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
Hero ($4.27)
BB ($5.17)
UTG ($0.60)
UTG+1 ($2.08)
UTG+2 ($5)
MP1 ($1.82)
MP2 ($7.50)
MP3 ($2.04)
CO ($2)
BTN ($2.64)

Dealt to Hero K♥ K♦

UTG calls $0.02, fold, UTG+2 calls $0.02, fold, MP2 raises to $0.12, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.42, fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $5 (AI), fold, Hero calls $3.85 (AI)

FLOP ($8.70) Q♦ T♣ 6♥

TURN ($8.70) Q♦ T♣ 6♥ 7♥

RIVER ($8.70) Q♦ T♣ 6♥ 7♥ 6♠

UTG+2 shows 9♣ J♣
(Pre 20%, Flop 26.8%, Turn 13.6%)

Hero shows K♥ K♦
(Pre 80%, Flop 73.2%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero wins $8.12

Lol 2.5BI push against 2 players with J9s


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_Anonymous_

Just had a great session, I felt on top of my game! I added just over 4BI's to my roll :f_cool:

I'm gonna start taking shots at NL4 when I hit $60 which is only 6 more BI's. I'll start by adding 2 tables of NL4 and the other 8 will still be NL2 and then swap the NL2 tables for NL4 when I add extra money to my roll.

I was trying to play 3000 hands today but I only played 2300. Hopefully that will get me into the $10 Rake Race positions, as then I will be super close to taking my NL4 shot Any extra cash though will be awesome, I won't be disappointed if I get $5. I should be within the top 200 after my mammoth grind the other day!

Interesting hand...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.02(BB) Replayer
SB ($5.01)
BB ($2.03)
UTG ($5.05)
UTG+1 ($4.21)
UTG+2 ($4.55)
Hero ($2.44)
MP2 ($9.48)
CO ($2)
BTN ($5)

Dealt to Hero 8♠ 8♣

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.07, fold, Hero calls $0.07, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

FLOP ($0.35) 7♣ 5♦ 6♥

SB bets $0.35, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN raises to $2.10, SB folds, Hero folds

BTN wins $1.96

I didn't expect the 3 bet :( I don't really think the draw is strong enough for this play. I was not reraising because I had an overpair, but I thought I might be able to isolate the original bettor. If I then had hit my draw I reckon I could get him all in.

I have checked my hands per month and I am sitting at almost 37k and it's only the 18th


vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008
Oldschool Grinder

Please accept my invitation on the communitypage and message me your skype, we'd like to talk to you for a bit. If you don't have one, make sure to make one!


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_Anonymous_

Originally posted by vonki
Please accept my invitation on the communitypage and message me your skype, we'd like to talk to you for a bit. If you don't have one, make sure to make one!

Done :)


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