How to turn a turtle into a grinder !

@Primrose i agree on that but unless you have a sample size on a calling station you only can make an approximation of a pushing/calling range.
What i mean is that buying a tool to have a rough approximation is wierd to me. Instead if you play on a pool of regulars that applies ICM and you cumulate or cumulate important sample size of data on your opponents i will agree to give it more value and even more when on the bubble since the less outcomes possible the more accurate it should be.

But let's say @ micros you have some opponents with FLHs background , some Others with MTTs background and some others simply around for Fun the ICM/NASH concepts will not maximize your profits. Espacially in Early and Half Middle Game. Then from the bubble time to the ITM it will or might do in theory.
I'm not even sure it will grant you any Positive ROI% over a long run of SNGs ...

ICM/NASH calculators refer to average players

Indeed and that's the point, Average Players are not the players you face. PUSH & JAM are more likely made for an equal environment of players.
Or You gonna have to run the calculations for the Average Players, Those Who Use ICM , Those Who Use ICM adjusted , Those Who Play it like MTTs , Those Who Play it like CGs ... Etc ... I'm not going to buy that lol

Wich to make it short the same environment means players using the same strategy VS You then from that point you can deviate to a better strategy and if they don't deviate neither assuming you all are at equal skill.

On a mixed environment of players like in real life and online , Players at the tables won't all use ICM. Some will use Sklansky Ranges , others Sklansky advanced Ranges , Others Kill Phil Ranges , Others just play it like CG and others with no strategy at all so in that situation i still don't think ICM/NASH is efficient at all.

The only interest of a push/fold strategy is if you face more skilled opponents since it will reduce their edges and positional advantage when some , it will also avoid post flop mistakes and deny them resteals/reshoves. And also From the bubble point when 4-handed . Bubble Time with more than 4 Players still won't be efficiant/accurate and still you will have to adjust your ranges....

On the intellectual side it's interesting to know what would be an equilibrium strategy if everyone where just Pushing/Folding/Calling with equal skills. But just on an intellectual side.

It's just my opinion based on ICM , NASH Equilibrium Thesis/Counter Thesis & Poker Bots STT vs Bots/Humans.
I don't claim it's the truth about it but i want to find out by myself running simulations and not just by reading marketing teaser (AI that trains vs itself ... blah blah ... yeah if it trains vs itself just by pushing folding it doesn't get us anywhere,
Also a bot that train itself with the same structure of a STT will play more hands between each blind level since it will take milliseconds to push/fold/call and play next hand ... )

By The Way Welcome Back Prim !!! Hope you had a super BDAY and enjoyed all the sweets / chocolates & Drinks

Best Of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

Hi J-C!

I'm looking forward to reading more about what you read. It was a very interesting post

@mjez1 Thank you ! I'm glad some players and poker buddies are interested into those topics.
By the way , how are you doing mj ? Grinding Hard ?

Thank you, I'm great! Unfortunately, I grind hard at the university and I don't have enough time to focus on poker grinds.
It's difficult to do both properly and I still haven't found the right schedule.
It would be better if I would play cash because in cash I can sit down or sit out almost immediately.
But you know in SNGs or tournaments I must be sure I have several hours in a row without any expected distractions.

@mjez1 University comes first and i think you are doing great taking both sides seriously.
Yes CGs does have that advantage for sure. IMO you must play a game you enjoy so it motivates you to improve and to play regulary with less risks to experience boredom and obviously you must have the Right BRM if you play an other variant with a little more security margin so you have more time to adjust.
The downside of CGs compared to tournaments format is that you never know precisely how much you can loose or win and if you get on tilt you might do lot of harm to your BR but it depends of players preferencies and character.
If you prefer CGs go for it or give it atleast a try to see if you enjoy it. Never do something you don't enjoy because on the long run it will be painful to you and demotivating. Little steps by Little steps and also during holidays you will be able to play more if you want to.

Reading two books at time since yesterday and just finished it's very interesting , atleast i know wich programming language i'll use to follow my idea.
Instead to Choose between Java & Python i'll use both , why to choose when you can have it all
Both have upsides and downswides when it comes to coding , AI , EA & Speed Calculations so mixing both of them for my side project is a good idea.
C# Could have been used with some Micro$ofts IA Packages more simplistic but too much simplistic and im allergic to Micro$oft ..
Next Books Should give me more insights. In same time already gathered some open source code for AI bots.. rudimentary ones but they will be a good help to get the overall design to make a self trainer. Just have to reverse it a little to write down a new datasheet to organise the futur coding process.
Next books should help to improve from a rudimentary one to a more advanced one.
After All the readings i planned it will be time to get to the maths/algorithms/stats/ Books side ...

Else today Chiropractor appointment & Accuponcturist Session Tomorrow.
Hope it's gonna help in my recovery process i hate to have plenty things in mind and projects but have to go slowly against my will ...

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

Chiropractor wasn't my best idea ever ... 1H later pains kicked in , spent the whole night wanting to hit my head against the walls...
I guess he trigered a facial nerv during the manipulations ... This Afternoon Accupunctur session , hope after i'll be able to get some sleep ...
Not sure ill do a 2nd session with the chirpractor since the outcomes were pretty bad , or ill try one more next week but if it ends the same way that will be over.

Besides that no much news, ill try to read a little before to go to my session, atleast it will busy my mind.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

Oh nooooooo!

What about osteopathy? Traditional chinese medicine?

@Primrose Yes already tried chinese medicine , even made my own pills based on chinese medicine but when it comes to nervs inflamations, damages , sensitivity or missinterpretation of nervous messages by the brain options are very limited.
From researches there's few more options (besides surgery or injections to the nervs) coming but they are still in trial process on rats so far away from human test and far away to be on the market.
They started trials on animals a year or two ago and will barely start human trials this year and only on peripherical neuropathic pains so it will take few years before the trials ends and another few years for the trials on other zones of neuropathic pains and if they success and get approuvals they might deliver it on the market.
osteopathy didn't try yet, i try possibilities one by one until i hopefully find one that match my needs.
Now i'm looking for a company here wich can import meds from worldwide locations since meds i ordered are in stock ruptur... arff
My pharmacist told me they know a company who might be able to do it so waiting again to get in touch with them. If they can that would be nice.
I could order capsaicine cream to calm down neuropathic pains + specific other meds to reduce the polyarthritis that comes with the neuropathic troubles etc...
Already made enough researches to find the right fix to calm down the pains but the problem where i expatriated myself many years ago is to get what you need coz they don't let enter much imported things in the country ... even electronic equipments or meds must be in their charts to be imported ...
Couple years ago i wanted to import a GSM Gateway and even had to spend days to justify it to the national security... at the end couldn't have it...
So lesson learned lol

Two more books ingested. Easier to read while laying down than play poker sessions so i make sure i use my recovery time efficiently to improve in different areas.
Thinking of, i added one book on my reading list wich is ICM Millenium Lectures on Games by Leon A. Petrosyan David W.K. Yeung.I found it during random simulations coding researches, very interesting book. Unless you allergic to maths obviously.
Once i finish all the readings i plan to run different simulations with different ICM calculation methods (Yes there is not only one way to do it)
But for huge field and even 6 Players field i expect an error margin from -1.5% to +1.5% maybe more depending on the calculation method and field of players.
No matter the way there will always be an error margin but i want to pick the way that has the lowest error margin for small / medium fields.Don't care about huge fields since i don't think ICM / Nash will be relevant at all in those situations unless vs dummy push/call/fold bots environment.
But there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to Have 0% error margin since it's basicaly based on assumptions that tends to be true on millions correlated data, wich is not a real validated mathematic theorem but in general peoples tend to agree it's somewhat close enough (depending on use).
The Error margin i talk about is only for the ICM part , i don't even talk about the error margin on the NASH side ...
Enough blah blah to not bore much more readers

Else Today i was lucky enough to have some peace since pains didn't hit me too much so i can't complain.
Tonight i'll continue the reading on "ICM Millenium Lectures on Games" then tomorrow back to my reading list.
I will also try to learn more about R programming , i think it can be a faster way to implement different ICM models to check wich one is the best for my use.Plus it's something new so it will keep my brain up despite zombifying meds.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Poker Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.

Good to hear you had a good day, healthwise

@deralte71 Thank you. Those days help me to breath and counter balance the bad ones.
How are you doing ? Grinding ? How does it go ?

Also glad to read that you feel better

@Primrose Thanks
Wish days were a bit more like today it's easier to handle even if my brain is still working in slow motion , hope it could stand that way.Tomorrow accupunctur again , it helps with the sleep. More real good sleep ---> More Energy.
Next week ill also make an appointment with the company that import meds. Usually they only work with labs and big pharma groups but with little money under the table they might be willing to help me to get the meds i'm looking for (Cross my Fingers & Toes).

Trying to shift to PLO. Started with DON PLOs which are super soft. Switch to 0.01-0.02 for getting a feel of the game, and now trying the 0.02-0.05.

@deralte71 That's great !!! Sounds many players are shifting to PLO lately
Well that's ok , once im back i'll keep all the Recreative's players to myself and won't share them hehe
Wish you a super experience with PLO and a hyper positive C-net winnings

Thanks Papa

CAUTION!!! Titan is lagging.

Played on Titan today and it was lagging!!! So be careful when you play on Titan!!

@Primrose Thanks for the alert. Today didn't have time to check on Titan but from time to time it happens. They don't have the same network infrastructure than Pstars & co since they are a bit more sport gambling oriented.
Busy day between Books and also downloads of latest versions of MATLAB and MAPLE, long time i didn't work using those tools. Last time i did i was a teenager working on a RSA Private & Public Keys cracking digest .... Brings me good memories
Obviously since that time i bet a lot changed, so also downloaded books about them to update myself. I think there is new possibilities using GPU Computing with MATLAB wich could be interesting for some other side projects. Also if my memory is still good they both can be used with Java and Python wich is a huge plus.
Two more books ingested , Tomorrow break time or atleast brainstorming only.

Good Evening Everyone and Awaken Vampires like me.
No way to sleep so reading coding and hanging around a little bit.

Working on combinatory and permutations translation from algorithms to code , not my best skill's area but it somehow works well.Now trying to do the same using different algorithms and find wich one will win the race on huge numbers of permutations ...
First algorithm coded is a permutation algorithm base on string permutation from the university of Exeter
Second One is a permutation algorithm based on a Wiley & Son's book Practical Algorithms in C++ by Bryan Flamig
Third One is a permutation algorithm based on Recursivity published i can't recall when by Bogomolny
Last One is a home made algorithm based on Recursivity as well but very different from usual ones
Coded each of them in Python , Java , R & C++ waiting to see who's gonna win the race and in wich language.
It's important for ICM Eq calculations to be more accurate, not that i really care about ICM itself but for a selftrainer bot with a real life environment simulations it matters.Wanna see how bad it will performs against different kind of opponents and a mix of opponents as well ...
Permutations for ICM and Combinatory later on to calculate hands equity etc...

I guess i again bored some readers , sorry can't help about it.

Best of Skills & Luck @ Tables,
OldSchoolPapa.