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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008
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Nobody knows about those Pokerstars $109 tickets?

As planned in June haven't been playing too much. Today played 90min =541 hands PLO2 and PLO2 Zoom on Pokerstars to get daily Omaha card hunt and 1$ rake generated. Today was really nice day:f_drink:


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008
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After few days opened Olybet client and noticed that I had won $38 from CC flipout. Played few hands PLO2 RnC. Reminder of the day: NEVER slowplay flopped nuts OOP. Planned to x-r turn:f_cry: Let's hope that reveived Bad Beat chips will give something tomorrow from FlipOut.

GG Poker - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $2.00 (100 bb)
SB: $2.16 (108 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $0.15 (7.5 bb)
MP: $2.26 (113 bb)
CO: $1.92 (96 bb)

SB posts $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has T♠: T♥: J♥: J♣:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.07, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 4♥: 4♣: J♦:
Hero checks, CO bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.31, 2 players) 8♠:
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($0.31, 2 players) Q♦:
Hero bets $0.16, CO raises to $0.79, Hero calls $0.63

Results: $1.89 pot ($0.06 rake)
Final Board: 4♥: 4♣: J♦: 8♠: Q♦:

CO shows 5♥: Q♥: K♣: Q♣:: (Full House, Queens full of Fours)
(Pre 66%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows T♠: T♥: J♥: J♣:: (Full House, Jacks full of Fours)
(Pre 34%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)

CO wins $1.80


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008
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Somebody folding s8fd? Never heard:f_cool:

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $2.00 (100 bb)
SB: $2.00 (100 bb)
BB: $4.75 (237.5 bb)
UTG: $1.29 (64.5 bb)
Hero (MP): $2.00 (100 bb)
CO: $0.72 (36 bb)

SB posts $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A♥: 3♥: 2♣: A♣:
fold, Hero raises to $0.07, CO calls $0.07, BTN calls $0.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.24, 3 players) 4♥: 2♥: T♦:
Hero bets $0.23, CO calls $0.23, BTN raises to $1.15, Hero raises to $1.93 and is all-in, CO calls $0.42 and is all-in, BTN calls $0.78 and is all-in

Turn: ($4.75, 3 players) K♣:

River: ($4.75, 3 players) 5♥:

Results: $4.75 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: 4♥: 2♥: T♦: K♣: 5♥:

Hero shows A♥: 3♥: 2♣: A♣:: (Straight Flush, Five High)
Main Pot: [$2.19]: (Pre 42%, Flop 35%, Turn 22%)
Side Pot: [$2.56]: (Pre 61%, Flop 41%, Turn 28%)

BTN shows T♥: 9♠: Q♣: T♠:: (Three of a Kind, Tens)
Main Pot: [$2.19]: (Pre 33%, Flop 49%, Turn 64%)
Side Pot: [$2.56]: (Pre 38%, Flop 59%, Turn 72%)

CO shows 8♠: 5♠: 5♦: 3♦:: (Three of a Kind, Fives)
Main Pot: [$2.19]: (Pre 26%, Flop 16%, Turn 14%)

Hero wins $4.59


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009
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how did you use Olybet+Hem3 together? like you have to keep the tracker shut when playing, right? someone got banned for tracker


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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You can import hands after the session from Pokercraft, and then import them to tracker.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008
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Originally posted by taavi1337
how did you use Olybet+Hem3 together? like you have to keep the tracker shut when playing, right? someone got banned for tracker

I have undersyood that It's not forbidden to keep HM on while playing at GG if you not play same time on site where HUD can be used. As Kyyberi said have to use Pokercraft for importing hands to tracker like HM. Here is a video how to do it


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009
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ok thanks i better keep it closed when GG open


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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I wouldn't risk by keeping it open. Players have been banned for having tracker open. If you get banned, you can't really complain about it.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008
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Pokerless summer is over. In September have been paying on some days PLO2 Zoom at Pokerstars to collect 100 PS-points for silver. So far 1900 hands, +35BB/100.
Sometimes flop is too good. BU limped, hero raise, very aggressive BB 3bet. Flop no action, turn 1/3 and BB fold

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $3.35 (167.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.00 (100 bb)
BB: $2.16 (108 bb)
UTG: $10.59 (529.5 bb)
MP: $0.81 (40.5 bb)
CO: $9.44 (472 bb)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J♣: Q♣: J♦: Q♦:
3 folds, BTN calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, BB raises to $0.26, fold, Hero calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.54, 2 players) K♣: A♣: T♣:
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($0.54, 2 players) Q♠:
Hero bets $0.17, fold

Results: $0.54 pot ($0.02 rake)
Final Board: K♣: A♣: T♣: Q♠:

Hero wins $0.52


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Joined: 21.08.2008
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This was nice hand. Villain is hardest stone I've seen in PLO, 10/1/1 after 6500 hands in my HM database

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $1.83 (91.5 bb)
SB: $4.60 (230 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.00 (100 bb)
UTG: $4.49 (224.5 bb)
MP: $3.46 (173 bb)
CO: $2.55 (127.5 bb)

SB posts $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q♥: J♣: T♣: A♥:
fold, MP calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, MP calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 5♥: K♠: J♥:
Hero bets $0.11, MP raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.59, MP raises to $2.70, Hero calls $0.34 and is all-in

Turn: ($4.01, 2 players) 2♦:

River: ($4.01, 2 players) T♦:

Results: $4.01 pot ($0.13 rake)
Final Board: 5♥: K♠: J♥: 2♦: T♦:

Hero shows Q♥: J♣: T♣: A♥:: (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 54%, Flop 55%, Turn 45%)

MP shows K♦: K♥: 7♣: 6♣:: (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 46%, Flop 45%, Turn 55%)

Hero wins $3.88


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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Could be reasonable to just call opponent raise on that AQJTds hand as he probably has KK extremely often considering how tight he is. But yeah we are ahead of dry KK anyway so can't do much wrong.

Also being oop makes call bit worse. But we can give up on pairing turn which is quite valuable. Depends also if we believe he can fold set when we lead flushing or straightening turn.

3bet os standard play but on extreme case like this we might do better with call. 10/1/1 stats are quite a joke...


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taavi1337
Joined: 29.05.2009
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Originally posted by Kyyberi
I wouldn't risk by keeping it open. Players have been banned for having tracker open. If you get banned, you can't really complain about it.

great idea.


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008
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First target reached, returned to PS Silver. 21,13 points from playing Poketstars, 85 from Pokerstrategy. About 4000 hands 2-tabling PLO2 Zoom at Pokestars. 8 game days, roughly 1h40min per day. Played quite OK, +10,75bb/100.

Now back to learning. First action is to watch one important video and make action plan based on that.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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Wasn't it 100K points for Black Membership/Jacket/Whatever in the past? I remember years ago there were parties for those who collected the required points. The one that is in Ghaleon's avatar?


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ghaleon
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I think it was 500k points. Yeah got a tailor-made suit (visited Hamburg for it) and I think there was some party as well for black members. Only one I visited before they quit offering those.


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Joined: 21.08.2008
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Highly recommended video for everybody playing micro PLO or planning to start to play PLO:
PLO database analysis https://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/54309/
At least PS Silver needed to watch those PLO videos

I just watched it and made notes about biggest leaks and mistakes that require corrective actions.

1. CO RFI too low
2. BB call/raise steal attemps low, expecially when BTN miniopens
3. 3bet preflop very low
4. Flop Cbet very high: Checking does not mean giving up!
5. Calling flop cbets without equity (with hands that have only few outs to improve)
6. 3bet flop cbets very low
a) raise with strong draws or if you think you ahead
b) bluff for example paired and monotone flops)
7. Often wrong bet sizing, too small or too big
8. Call river efficiency
9. More effective use of tracker for analyzing (I have HM3 Omaha small stakes)


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Khiiniau
Joined: 21.08.2008
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First action is to improve preflop (1-3) CO RFI, defending BB and 3betting in all applicable position by training with PLO Mastermind
4-8) can practically be improved only when playing and analyzing played sessions with tracker
9) have to learn to make more filters to HM3 to find leaks

I have money in 3 sites:

1. Small in Unibet, tracked with PS but I can't play there now due to my location

2. Pokerstars about 50 bins for PLO2 to collect PS points for keeping silver. Will play also with daily received Power Path tickets. Now I have 2 step 4 $109 tickets and 5 step 2 $1,5$ tickets. Step 2 tickets will use while grinding PLO and Step 4 tickets probably in November when I'm in more convinient time zone.

2. GGpoker Olybet bankroll is over 60 bins for PLO5

First thing is to decide normal PLO or RnC 5? I can 4-table normal PLO and 2-table PLO RnC. If more tables I start to make too many mistakes. So in practice it's not possible to reach top 10 in leaderboards because 8-10h/day is quite maximum I can play without getting too tired. Cut-off time for leaderboards in my current time zone is 3pm so I can divede those hours to 2 days. Last year October-December I played quite a lot normal PLO2 and 5 but got frustrated because half of players are call-happy ministacks and many robot-like maniacs who play simultanously 8+8 PLO2 and PLO5 tables crushing everybody.

In PLO RnC those leaderboard players make game so different because they miniopen 60% hands and OOP minibet any flop and call almost all raises, minibet-call again turn and pot river if they have hand.

I think I will start with normal PLO5 and follow if there is any improvement compared to my previous play. Any thoughts?


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Joined: 21.08.2008
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1st 24h playing PLO5 is behind. Played 5 sessions, total 150min = 2,5h. Could have played more but there were times when only leaderboard top10 players on tables and they play quite tight, not same kind of miniopenings and minibettings like in PLO RnC. They are all 8-tabling and one of them plays also in 8 PLO2 tables.

Before my last session was in profit but after that with RB and LB -$3,67. Lot of hands were 5 or 4 handed and some 3 handed and HU. Some improvement in CO RFI. Only few spots for 3-betting.

In the evening start of one session was different. I was wondering that so many players have passed me in LB during my one hour break, was in top 20 but now out of money. Played about 15min and understood that I'm sitting on PLO10 tables:f_o: : I have started to use bb-stack display instead of $ recently=) Went out from those tables quickly with small profit.


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BunBun00
Joined: 13.09.2023
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Numbers wise, a bit tight? Maybe you were card dead?

How is it possible that VIPIP is lower than RFI? Is that a calculation mistake or am I missing something here? Different samples?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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Originally posted by BunBun00
Numbers wise, a bit tight? Maybe you were card dead?

How is it possible that VIPIP is lower than RFI? Is that a calculation mistake or am I missing something here? Different samples?

Spots to count into RFI are only those where it comes unopened to us. But VPIP accounts any possible scenario with unopened, limped, open raised or cold action versus 3/4bets.

Some feedback on this low sample from player who has not played on any trackable site:

- RFI numbers are pretty low beside BU. But I can get behind being bit tight from early positions if we have lot of calling machines. Meaning we get lot into multiway spots. But SB open being only 35% (which is actually gto frequency) is likely leaving value on table. Point is lot of players dont defend enough and tend to 3bet way too little so we can profitably open more hands.
- Such big difference in SB VPIP/PFR probably means we call lot more versus opens than we should
- 3bet is very low in every position.

But yeah sample is so low that its kind of pointless to analyze it.


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