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Originally posted by tonypmm

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
Still, learning GTO will never hurt you because it only makes your game more balanced and strenghtens it, never makes it weaker.

It doesn't hurt except that it takes time, energy and memory and maximises longterm earnings rather than shortterm ones, whereas the lack of fast positive results may be discouraging and depressing to a microstake player.

In poker (like in life), things take time to master. To some new player I would definitely advise to start right away with GTO starting strategy. Sure it will take more time to learn and implement but at the end that player will understand how to protect own range vs regs and then can just adjust vs recreational players, learn textures range vs range and pound the win rate.
Unfortunately, the higher the stakes the less there will be recreational players and also regs higher up already are getting very solid in all the areas I mentioned so win rates are minimizing daily as we speak - and for short stack games such as Spins, there is only so much edges that you can make in mid to high stakes.


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In regards to yesterday and time management until Thailand trip

Yesterday was great day because I accomplished everything I set out and that inlcuded:
- Work out
- Proper nutrition and calorie deficit
- 4 sessions grind
- Studying active GTO
- Over 1.5h invested in side project

Today I don't have work out but instead there is guitar and music lesson set and all the other things I am going for with the same pace.

Since I am traveling to Germany and will spend there 11 days and then Thailand 11 weeks trip (77 days) 15th of Jan until 1st of April, my time management while in Serbia until Thailand trip will be to:
- Grind 300 hours of poker minimum (daily 4 sessions)
- Active study while grinding as well as outside of grind
- Daily minimum allocated 1 hour for side project
- Teaching poker, guitar and music on average 1 hour per day
- Working out 3 times per week Bar Brothers , 4th work out cardio on Saturdays
- Proper nutrition and calorie deficit

So these are my top priorities, everything else is secondary until Thailand trip. The only thing that can change this schedule is hitting and winning some large multiplier but when I create time management I set it in the way for the worst possible case scenario and then everything that is normal or great variance wise just makes it all smother and easier.

So future updates on the blog will be closely tied to following areas:
- Grinding = will discuss further state of games and future of spins
- Studying = will mention more about GTO in future updates and DB analysis
- Coaching poker = will mention my work with 1 student and what were his results pre coaching and where he is now and where we are heading
- Teaching guitar and music = I can talk about this all day long because I play guitar for 22 years and teach for 16 years people all over the world
- Work out (bar brothers) and nutrition (proper macros) + calorie deficit (weight loss for body fat dropping) = will mention how I am doing in training sessions and how my recovery is going as well as average calories that I take per day during each week
- Side project = investing my time in things outside of grinding and studying that will bring me money in future as passive income

So that's all for this update. I hope your week has been well and that you are all doing great. Enjoy remaining of the October on and off the tables!


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nice ideas for future update.

what does a "grinding session" look like for you? do you plan a specific time, or specific amount of spins?


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Originally posted by BadHabit1989
nice ideas for future update.

what does a "grinding session" look like for you? do you plan a specific time, or specific amount of spins?

It depends on day and those other priorities. If I have training + coaching poker or teaching music/guitar, then grinding happens in later afternoon (3pm+) and I aim to play total of 4 sessions as minimum. Those sessions are usually a bit over 1 hour long as I use alarm clock to start my 1 hour grind but during cool down it ends up being longer then 1 hour as I stop loading tables when alarm goes off, not before it. Also, there are times when I play 2 sessions in a row without a break in between. That happens either when I feel I am in full flow mode and focus + have energy and don't need to go to bathroom or anything like that. Did that last night for example... Another reason why I might put 2 sessions into 1 larger session is if I start grinding very late in the afternoon and still want to make 4+ hours of grind. Then the best thing is to decrease "down" time between sessions and just connect them. Of course you have to know yourself well, focus, energy, whether or not you feel the flow to play or not, will you need to take a break, how all that affects your EV.
Right now I play tons of reg games because I am at stakes where regs are majority of player pool so table selection is out of the questions so it really doesn't meter when I play but it matters a ton how I feel when I play. Because if I am out of energy, focus, feel sleepy, I will drop edges vs 2 regs in games and decrease my win rate. If I feel rested and pumped up to test new edges and exploits vs them, then I will likely experiment and be happy with my performance.
Since the grind goal requires me to put down playing consistently, there will be days where I will have to play tired, without energy, not as motivated, getting rapped by card distribution vs regs, dropping buy ins like flies etc. On these days is when you become poker pro. Days like that motivate me that I am still FISH and that I have ton to learn and improve. When it all goes well, card distribution goes your way, everybody gets set up vs you - those days I can pick a grandpa from the street and give him to play Spins like that! Those days can just make you delusional about your ability and real edges. So what tends to happen with most unexperienced and unrealistic poker aspiring players is this: when they get things their way, they overestimate their edge and ability; when things are not going their way , they become suicidal and think poker is dead, everyone is solid, or sites are rigged etc. Ideally, regardless of the results, you should aim to constantly check your game plans, check stats, hands that you marked and notes and focus on becoming better player every single day. Do whatever it takes to make that happen and your mindset will grow and no variance can bring you down.
I like to believe that I am perfect example of what I told you above. This year I had several over 100 buy ins swings and I never felt like crying, bitching to either my family, friends or on my blog. I am so used to these things and I accept it as reality of poker and tough games that I choose to play. Without risk there is no reward. Without variance there is no big money to be made in the poker. Fish or bad reg won't play if there is no luck factor or fact that they have equity to shop always. So the best approach is to look in your own car and fix all the parts so that car can be improved and runs smoothly wherever you drive it.

Long write up but all related to your questions :)


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Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
To some new player I would definitely advise to start right away with GTO starting strategy.

It's not mandatory to know the GTO range for 4-8 bb 3b vs BTN, or for river raises, or for minraises in <10 bb stacks BvB (especially after the opponent openshoved for the previous few orbits), when at the $3s readless it's safe to assume that these ranges of loose-passive recs and ABC regs consist of monster hands only. Attempts to play GTO early on will only lead to dramatic loss of shortterm value.

Coaches have been telling me since 2014 that I've been overthinking, trying to be too balanced at the stakes where there's no need to balance.

It's more comforting to be confidently beating at least some stakes than to spend several months failing to beat the 8% rake (or the ton of fellow grinders in high-rakeback player pools) by more than a narrow margin and trying to become breakeven vs top regs.

GTO has become the topic of a recent comic :f_grin:


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Originally posted by tonypmm

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
To some new player I would definitely advise to start right away with GTO starting strategy.

It's not mandatory to know the GTO range for 4-8 bb 3b vs BTN, or for river raises, or for minraises in <10 bb stacks BvB (especially after the opponent openshoved for the previous few orbits), when at the $3s readless it's safe to assume that these ranges of loose-passive recs and ABC regs consist of monster hands only. Attempts to play GTO early on will only lead to dramatic loss of shortterm value.

Coaches have been telling me since 2014 that I've been trying to be too balanced at the stakes where there's no need to balance.

It's more comforting to be confidently beating at least some stakes than to spend several months failing to beat the 8% rake (or the fellow grinders in high-rakeback player pools) by more than a narrow margin and trying to become breakeven vs top regs.

GTO has become the topic of a recent comic :f_grin:

Again you are right about most stuff Tony but you miss the point of GTO. Whether you are total beginner or poker pro, eventually you need to understand what is from GTO stand point starting base because that balance, defending your own ranges vs being exploited will come in handy vs more aggro opponents.

Saw the comic, great stuff!


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now i feel bad and guilty that my 1 line post made you write down half a book :)
thanks for doing it tho, yet again I enjoyed reading your reply :)


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Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
Again you are right about most stuff Tony but you miss the point of GTO. Whether you are total beginner or poker pro, eventually you need to understand what is from GTO stand point starting base because that balance, defending your own ranges vs being exploited will come in handy vs more aggro opponents.

The key word is 'eventually'. It's better to make baby steps because the brain can't digest too much knowledge all at once, and even if it does, it sometimes fails to recall it correctly under pressure.

Yes, there are more aggro opponents too, but they're usually (at the micros) so maniacal that it becomes obvious after only a few hands, and can be exploited right away. Balanced regs are so rare there that leaking chips to them has a negligible impact on the overall chip EV.


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Originally posted by tonypmm
The key word is 'eventually'. It's better to make baby steps because the brain can't digest too much knowledge all at once, and even if it does, it sometimes fails to recall it correctly under pressure.

good statement. How much time can a human being spend on "learning poker" every day in your (and IvicaIliev77) eyes per day without overloading the brain?

me myself, I watch 2 Videos (40-60 min each) max, read an educational book before going to bed for aprox 30 mins and after that I switch books to something (still poker related) I just read for "excitement".
To explain this further, for example right now I read "Ace On The River" by Greenstein, I know it is out of date, but I enjoy reading it and still pick up some stuff that is still relevant and helps me improve around the game while it still won't ever overload my brain. Simply becuase I dont have to think to much about it.

Most of the time I only watch 1 Video and "read" half an hour in books. and under the day (usually at work) I read as much in forums + articles I can.

What also helped me stay focused on learning is when I would read different books. stop after an chapter, let it sink in and than continue on the same day with another book (1 chapter again).
I would not read a 2nd chapter in one of this books at the same day.


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Originally posted by BadHabit1989
now i feel bad and guilty that my 1 line post made you write down half a book :)
thanks for doing it tho, yet again I enjoyed reading your reply :)

Noooooo, no need to feel any guilt, its my pleasure to respond and help any way I can. Glad you enjoyed the reply :)


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Originally posted by tonypmm

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
Again you are right about most stuff Tony but you miss the point of GTO. Whether you are total beginner or poker pro, eventually you need to understand what is from GTO stand point starting base because that balance, defending your own ranges vs being exploited will come in handy vs more aggro opponents.

The key word is 'eventually'. It's better to make baby steps because the brain can't digest too much knowledge all at once, and even if it does, it sometimes fails to recall it correctly under pressure.

Yes, there are more aggro opponents too, but they're usually (at the micros) so maniacal that it becomes obvious after only a few hands, and can be exploited right away. Balanced regs are so rare there that leaking chips to them has a negligible impact on the overall chip EV.

GTO from very beginning vs teaching people wrong things and having no clue how range building, range vs range and range balance looks like. If I had total beginner for Spins now, I would teach him/her what GTO stands for,to understand EV between folding, limping or raising IP in HU as well as X, F, CC, 3bnai, 3bs OOP in HU. After this I would explain overall range building concept, different percentages, and then explain why GTO shows what it shows. Final lesson would be to memorize those stats and tendencies, work on understanding why each hand is played each way, and then to move on to actual stats from opponents and adjust plays based on maximum EV. And then example that is super obvious for that is to always raise AA vs passive player and limp it vs Aggro shove over limp player and things like that.
Any beginner can benefit from GTO straight away, especially for pre flop range building in Spins as games are getting tougher thanks to GTO solvers and coaching programs that produce human bots who use pre flop tables and reg infest games continuously.
If ones goal is to play just micro stakes, not play poker as profession, any strategy teaching really doesn't matter because its for fun and I would likely in those spots copy someones winning strategy for such stake vs doing anything else. However, if one wants to play poker and Spins for a living, omitting GTO study from start is a huge mistake, because in short stack play GTO is one of the rare things that can give super solid foundation and teach player how to adjust based on individual opponents - if ones goal is to move up to make 30$+ per hour.


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Originally posted by BadHabit1989

Originally posted by tonypmm
The key word is 'eventually'. It's better to make baby steps because the brain can't digest too much knowledge all at once, and even if it does, it sometimes fails to recall it correctly under pressure.

good statement. How much time can a human being spend on "learning poker" every day in your (and IvicaIliev77) eyes per day without overloading the brain?

me myself, I watch 2 Videos (40-60 min each) max, read an educational book before going to bed for aprox 30 mins and after that I switch books to something (still poker related) I just read for "excitement".
To explain this further, for example right now I read "Ace On The River" by Greenstein, I know it is out of date, but I enjoy reading it and still pick up some stuff that is still relevant and helps me improve around the game while it still won't ever overload my brain. Simply becuase I dont have to think to much about it.

Most of the time I only watch 1 Video and "read" half an hour in books. and under the day (usually at work) I read as much in forums + articles I can.

What also helped me stay focused on learning is when I would read different books. stop after an chapter, let it sink in and than continue on the same day with another book (1 chapter again).
I would not read a 2nd chapter in one of this books at the same day.

Key thing is actually that someones chapter 1 is somebody else's chapter 20.
We don't all start at the same level entering Spins as game format. Somebody never played anything and starts from scratch; someone else played MTT; other guy played CG; someone never played poker vs someone that did poker for 10 years etc

My point is, my story after having gone through SNGs (6 and 9 max, 6 max hypers as well), HU Hypers (7$ and 15$, some 30$), CG (Up to nl100zoom on stars and nl50 on other networks) and Spins becoming regular at 30$ stakes and taking shotes to highest stakes - this road took me 5 years. With this road and experience, I don't want to give false advise nor to guide anyone to waste time doing unnecessary things. So my point is, yes, learning some way to play with default strategy is a good thing but the problem by learning someone else strategy is that you get too many holes in your game plan. You never ask really important questions such as: 1) Why do I open this % instead of this % ? 2) Why is this hand not Limp vs Raise or fold vs either? 3) What do I do with 100% of my range by default and how do I use that range vs recreational or vs reg? 4) What if the players I face give me very hard time pre flop, what should I do then, which game plan is optimal then?
For the last question, its 99% of the time answer GTO ranges pre flop :) For the other questions, people rarely ask those for exact reasons why I am against for any beginner, micro player or student to come to coach and get spoon feed ranges without actually understanding why certain hand can fit into all categories but never understands why we choose to use it in one over the other categories? And the answer to this lies in GTO solver software and understanding EV.

We are not in 2010 or 2013 even 2015 anymore. End of 2017 approaching, stables have solid ranges, Stars killed RB, people from higher stakes are dropping down, level of play needed to make strong hourly is becoming very hard and it will only get harder from this point on. Key thing to stay in Spins in years to come vs human players is to actually study up on GTO because all other regs will use some tables from programs and some portion of them will learn to adjust to player stats and reads but our goal should be to defend ourselves vs regs as much as we can, and maximize our win rate vs recreational players. VS regs, the higher you go, edges become minimal and I get daily in a lot of spots thoughts such as: "it feels like I am playing myself over and over"!!! Its like all the all ins pre flop that they push or call, 98% of the time I would do the same. Same goes for limp trapping, not so much for limp shoving and very similar to shove over limp and iso call all in ranges. So when I see that daily, game in game out, I wonder where is the edge pre flop when those regs who infest the limit and we play 3 reg games are super solid? The answer is, there is no edge pre flop in such cases, only way I can protect myself is to play GTO strategy and work on using same frequencies until they show me how they are doing different frequencies so that I can exploit them. The real edge is in post flop but even in that area, shallow stack vs regs post flop gets into minimal edge. So a lot of games end up finishing based on card distribution and pure lack because you play very tough players.

Conclusion: Study GTO to have super solid understanding of what EV is, why and how EV changes for each hand 1st pre flop then post flop, memorize frequency with hands that you never used in such way, analyze opponents that are giving you hard time that have GTO stats pre flop (I have plenty of those which is pretty sick!) and then work on adjusting GTO based on their individual leaks (over larger sample, thanks to specific showdowns vs you). If you want to play Stars 15$ 30$, you can still play profitably without GTO strategy because there is enough % of recreational players that make your cEV high and enough Regs who play nowhere near close to GTO pre flop (most use some exploit style of play). But again, playing stars such stakes, without RB, good luck trying to make 30$+ per hour - I don't know even 5 players that can do that now on Stars, and one of them actually dropped from 100s to 30s to decrease variance due to no RB and accept reality of super low hourly now :)


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You missed my question but your answer still was amazing nevertheless :)


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Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
If ones goal is to play just micro stakes, not play poker as profession, any strategy teaching really doesn't matter because its for fun and I would likely in those spots copy someones winning strategy for such stake vs doing anything else. However, if one wants to play poker and Spins for a living, omitting GTO study from start is a huge mistake, because in short stack play GTO is one of the rare things that can give super solid foundation and teach player how to adjust based on individual opponents - if ones goal is to move up to make 30$+ per hour.

Apparently, you've forgotten that it's possible to survive with $500 a month, and it's actually more than the average wage in many countries (incl. Serbia). It's better to earn more than the average wage almost surely (and have time later to learn GTO and other rocket science to move up) than to adopt a longterm learning strategy that will result in eventually earning $30 an hour with probability 10%* but quitting poker altogether in the other 90% of cases because of the silly spewing / lack of basic discipline.

* Actually, it's an interesting question what the probability of such success is for a random beginner. It seems rather small statistically because there aren't many 30s+ regs right now relatively to the whole reg + regfish population. And there's the Dunning-Kruger effect - people are prone to overestimating their chances - otherwise poker wouldn't be so profitable.


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Originally posted by BadHabit1989
You missed my question but your answer still was amazing nevertheless :)

Xexe, no I didn't! I responded with everyone is on a different chapter and different story. Someone finds it easy and flowing to study daily a ton of hours, some struggle a lot. It depends how hungry you are and desperate really to crush. More desperate you are and the more you crave it, the more you can gain by pushing yourself beyond what you consider normal approach. It works in every area of life, not just poker.


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Originally posted by tonypmm

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
If ones goal is to play just micro stakes, not play poker as profession, any strategy teaching really doesn't matter because its for fun and I would likely in those spots copy someones winning strategy for such stake vs doing anything else. However, if one wants to play poker and Spins for a living, omitting GTO study from start is a huge mistake, because in short stack play GTO is one of the rare things that can give super solid foundation and teach player how to adjust based on individual opponents - if ones goal is to move up to make 30$+ per hour.

Apparently, you've forgotten that it's possible to survive with $500 a month, and it's actually more than the average wage in many countries (incl. Serbia). It's better to earn more than the average wage almost surely (and have time later to learn GTO and other rocket science to move up) than to adopt a longterm learning strategy that will result in eventually earning $30 an hour with probability 10%* but quitting poker altogether in the other 90% of cases because of the silly spewing / lack of basic discipline.

* Actually, it's an interesting question what the probability of such success is for a random beginner. It seems rather small statistically because there aren't many 30s+ regs right now relatively to the whole reg + regfish population. And there's the Dunning-Kruger effect - people are prone to overestimating their chances - otherwise poker wouldn't be so profitable.

Actually, I haven't forgotten that at all. I just think its not +EV for people to work wrong way, to get in poker to make 500$. There is much better online jobs in internet marketing, management and dozen other areas that will give them more then 500$ per month. I see poker being ahead of all those jobs once you get to hourly where I past 3+ years which is basically making 3k+ per month doing something you love doing and you set your own hours as a boss.
For the question, answer is very dependent on the candidate. People who tend to win in other areas of life and have proven track record of discipline, determination and grit, they are way more likely to succeed in poker then other people who dream of big bucks but are not willing to sacrifice nowhere near enough to get there.


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Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
We are not in 2010 or 2013 even 2015 anymore. End of 2017 approaching, stables have solid ranges, Stars killed RB, people from higher stakes are dropping down, level of play needed to make strong hourly is becoming very hard and it will only get harder from this point on. Key thing to stay in Spins in years to come vs human players is to actually study up on GTO because all other regs will use some tables from programs and some portion of them will learn to adjust to player stats and reads but our goal should be to defend ourselves vs regs as much as we can, and maximize our win rate vs recreational players.

3-max spins aren't the least reg-infested games right now, so I'm not keen on learning to play them on an expert level anyway... The problem with newer, thus less reg-infested, games, though, is that they're often raked brutally (well, the bounty variation of Party's Sit & Go Hero does have low rake, but its stakes are capped at $20), so beating them does require a lot of thought, but at least there are no GTO calculators for them yet. That said, it's nice to be moderately profitable in <=$7 3-max spins as well, in case the grind of those other games goes wrong.


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Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
For the question, answer is very dependent on the candidate. People who tend to win in other areas of life and have proven track record of discipline, determination and grit, they are way more likely to succeed in poker then other people who dream of big bucks but are not willing to sacrifice nowhere near enough to get there.

Yeah, that's the problem. Poker is not the shortcut to winning at life.


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Originally posted by tonypmm

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
We are not in 2010 or 2013 even 2015 anymore. End of 2017 approaching, stables have solid ranges, Stars killed RB, people from higher stakes are dropping down, level of play needed to make strong hourly is becoming very hard and it will only get harder from this point on. Key thing to stay in Spins in years to come vs human players is to actually study up on GTO because all other regs will use some tables from programs and some portion of them will learn to adjust to player stats and reads but our goal should be to defend ourselves vs regs as much as we can, and maximize our win rate vs recreational players.

3-max spins aren't the least reg-infested games right now, so I'm not keen on learning to play them on an expert level anyway... The problem with newer, thus less reg-infested, games, though, is that they're often raked brutally (well, the bounty variation of Party's Sit & Go Hero does have low rake, but its stakes are capped at $20), so beating them does require a lot of thought, but at least there are no GTO calculators for them yet. That said, it's nice to be moderately profitable in <=$7 3-max spins as well, in case the grind of those other games goes wrong.

This was awesome post Tony and lots of things I agree with.
Dilemma between playing Spins vs other new formats will always be interesting to discuss and analyze. I think that Spins will keep getting more capped in terms of hourly but they will still exist in years to come and money will be possible to make in them while traffic will everywhere be strong enough to grind them for a living. The dangerous thing about new formats is exactly that - they are new and its unpredictable whether or not there will be traffic and if the room/network will keep the format or not. Another potential problem with new formats is the lack of higher limits which you already mentioned for Party pokers Hero's.
As far as GTO solvers go for those other formats, if I was programmer I would be making such software and selling it TODAY for exact reasons that you mentioned. Those never formats, even when reg infested have still tons of edges to be grabbed and made. So GTO solutions software for such format would sell like crazy because every serious stable, top reg or poker player understanding value of investing in ones education and increasing hourly will invest in that software.
Finally, about 7$ 3 max spins part. I believe and from experience past 5 years I have seen the pattern repeating over and over that those micro to low stakes will always be full of recreational players and every poker pro will be able to play 7$ limit and make like 7$+ per hour! So that basically means that people from Serbia, Eastern Europe, Russia, Ukraine and countries where average salary is 250-400 euro, can still play Spins in years to come and make 700$+ per month on average without ever moving up.
That's one of the things I love about poker - no matter how hard mid to high stakes get, the micro to low stakes will level wise always stay super soft for mid to high stakes player.

The real dilemma for me and I am sure any professional poker player is whether or not you should accept to lower your hourly for whatever reason sites or poker is heading into for your format, or you should always seek to find new formats that can potentially bring you higher hourly then current but you need to invest a ton of time and in the end not have gurantee it will work out. Just look at what happened for 6 max SNGs on Stars - once Spins were introduced, traffic totally died for someone that mass multi tabled 12-15 tabling 15s and 30s. And I can confirm that a lot of guys I know from SNGs either quit poker after that happened, switch to CG or Spins or simply accepted lower traffic and hourly to keep playing same game.

We all have different risk and comfort zones. Someone will want to keep pushing in poker always to get to high stakes and become best in the world. Some will want to make enough money to support certain lifestyle. Some just play the game for fun.

For me poker is about improving myself, learning strategy and becoming best version of poker player I can while using profit from poker to supplement certain lifestyle that I find of great value (helping family, friends, being able to take time off whenever I want, to travel, to be able to afford regular things like going into store, coffee places, restaurants and never looking at price tags etc).
So I strongly believe that this hourly stagnation or dropping will happen soon for Spins (already happening) unless USA market joins sometime soon or other markets open up (Asia and India as the best examples).
I am ready for whatever happens because I have guitar and music as a way of making living and not being stressed about waking up without food water or bills payed. So in that sense I feel super blessed that I can live a normal life, and everything else on top of that I cherish, celebrate and consider it an amazing opportunity to best myself in all life areas.


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Originally posted by tonypmm

Originally posted by IvicaIliev77
For the question, answer is very dependent on the candidate. People who tend to win in other areas of life and have proven track record of discipline, determination and grit, they are way more likely to succeed in poker then other people who dream of big bucks but are not willing to sacrifice nowhere near enough to get there.

Yeah, that's the problem. Poker is not the shortcut to winning at life.

Well said and put Tony!:f_thumbsup:


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