[Geschlossen] 5/10 troubles

15

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4♠, 9♠.
1 folds, CO checks, 1 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.00 SB) 4♥, 2♣, 9♥ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB calls.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 8♥ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (4.50 BB) K♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB.

16

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (4 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9♠, 9♣.
Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 1 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) A♥, 7♦, 2♥ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB.

27/0 72 hands

17

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (9 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7♠, 7♣.
1 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Button raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 9♦, K♣, 9♣ (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button is all-in ($2.50).

Turn: (4.95 BB) A♥ (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6.95 BB) 2♦ (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.95 BB.

71//10//0.7 70 hands

18

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with J♣, 9♣.
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, 1 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) 7♦, 9♠, 7♠ (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 2♦ (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.

River: (8.50 BB) K♣ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB.

19

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (6 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♥, Q♦.
UTG calls, 1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) Q♥, K♠, J♠ (5 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (7.00 BB) 3♦ (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (10.00 BB) K♣ (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, CO folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Final Pot: 18.00 BB.

29/1/1.2/79 hands

20

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with T♥, T♦.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, 1 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls, 1 folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) Q♦, T♣, 4♦ (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 6♣ (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP3 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, Hero calls.

River: (16.20 BB) A♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.20 BB.

21

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9♠, 9♦.
UTG calls, 4 folds, CO calls, 1 folds, Hero completes, BB raises, UTG calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) 7♦, 2♠, 2♦ (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) K♥ (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, CO calls.

River: (9.00 BB) J♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10.00 BB.

22

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (9 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8♥, 8♣.
2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) A♠, 6♥, 6♠ (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 2♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB.

23

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K♦, A♦.
UTG calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, CO calls, 1 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.00 SB) 8♥, 2♦, 8♣ (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 4♠ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.50 BB) K♥ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB.

24

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T♣, T♠.
UTG calls, 1 folds, Hero raises, 1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 4♣, 7♦, 2♠ (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 2♦ (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (12.20 BB) Q♥ (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB.

25

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q♦, A♣.
2 folds, MP1 raises, 1 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) J♥, 2♠, 2♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 9♦ (2 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 calls.

River: (6.20 BB) A♥ (2 players)
MP1 bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB.

26

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with K♦, 3♦.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.00 SB) A♦, 7♣, 4♦ (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (7.00 BB) 4♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (9.00 BB) Q♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.00 BB.

27

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with A♣, K♠.
4 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 5♥, 7♦, 4♥ (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5.00 BB) 3♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.00 BB.

62//15//1.2

28

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (9 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5♥, Q♣.
5 folds, Button calls, 1 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) 8♠, 7♠, Q♠ (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (2.20 BB) K♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) T♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB.

52/15/1.1

My comments, please post a follow up question to the hands which are not 100% clear

1) Good
2) Good
3) Fold turn. The raiser here cannot be bluffing. You are often dead to a str8 or have only 3 outs against two pair
4) Good
5) Good
6) Good
7) Good
8) Good
9) Bet flop. The flop has a very high bluff factor.
10) Good. You must bet here.
11) Marginal bet flop. The flop is J rag rag and the pot is unraised with 3 opponents. You should have an equity edge here with a hand which needs to be protected.
You also should bet the River, you have value here. In your case, against a bet and raise in front of you, the fold is fine
12) Bet flop. You probably have a very high bluff factor possible (K rag rag rainbow with almost no straight draws). In fact, you have the nut non pair hand on a save board on which has completely missed most of your opponents. Sometimes you do even have the best hand on the flop.
13) Good.

General advice
Understand the "bluff factor" concept. In position, tend to follow through with weak hands on boards with a high bluff factor(K72 rainbow). Tend to check behind on board with a low bluff factor. (T98 single suited).

Learn the following rule of thumb:
In an unraised pot with 2 opponents, bet any pair on the flop(applies in 80% of the cases)
in an unraised pot with 1 opponent, bet any hand. (applies in 100% of the cases)

Also, I would like to see some hands where you have top pair and get raised on the turn.

29

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♠, Q♦.
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) K♣, 3♠, 7♥ (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5♣ (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) A♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB.

30

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♠, T♣.
1 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) J♣, 8♥, 9♣ (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 5♥ (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 raises, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, Button calls.

River: (13.50 BB) K♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB.

31

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K♦, A♦.
2 folds, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.00 SB) Q♥, 4♥, 4♦ (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 3♣ (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, BB calls, Hero folds.

River: (9.50 BB) A♠ (2 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB.

32

Party Poker 5.00/10.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q♣, Q♠.
5 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) A♦, 9♥, 5♣ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 3♠ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 8♠ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.70 BB.

This were all the hands I had prepared to post.

My question to end with: what advice would you give me, keep playing 5/10 and 5/10 bbj. Or try 3/6 fr (which I kind of skipped) or move back to 2/4 (which I beat at 1/6 bb/100 over 30k hands). Note: I have almost no short hand experience.

General

I noticed many more mistakes in the 2nd set of hands you posted. Maybe you suffered an initial downswing and then changed your usual strategy to a worse one?

15) Good
16) c/f flop. Don't get tricky.
17) c/f river. With the one guy being all-in on the flop and the other calling the turn, you are behind in almost all cases
18) Good
19) You must raise pre-flop here. In loose games, push even the smallest equity edge.
In your case, raise the turn to knock the CO out of the Hand.
20) Bet River. Given the way he played his hand, he does not have a flush. He also does not have a better set. Therefore you are winning here. I'd put him on 44, QT, Q4 or Q6.
21) Call the river bet. I think you are ahead more than 10% of the time, and that's all you need.
22) Good
23) Bet Turn. On that board, with that flop actionk you often still have the best hand on the turn. However, any two cards have 6 outs against you. So bet the turn and take a free showdown.
24) Good.
25) You cannot fold this flop. You might even have the best hand. The flop is a good one for you. There are two ways to proceed: if MP1 is loose passive, raise the flop and take a free card on the turn. If MP3 is tight, call the flop and see what the turn brings. If MP3 calls the turn as well, you can assume you are beaten and fold. If MP1 bets and MP3 folds, and MP1 is aggressive, you raise the turn for a free showdown.
26) Good
27) Good
28) The pot is very small. You can easily fold the turn. Don't worry to much if you think you folded the best hand, in a small pot that does not matter too much.

29) Good
30) Bet River. He might have a flush, he might have two pair, he might have been on a str8 draw.
31) Good
32) Good.

Note: Without reads, it's hard for me to judge, but you tend to be missing some value bets on the river.

My advice:

- Move back to 2/4 FR unless you need Party Points, in that case play 3/6 BBJ
- I don't know how well you can understand German, but give weyoun's 2/4 coaching a try.

Alternative: Start playing 0.5/1 shorthanded and work your way up. Much more fun

3. I need to fold because BB check raised me? What if he bet into me would I still need to fold or raise and fold against a 3bet?

9. Let's say I bet the flop and SB and / or BB call(s). Should I take a freecard on the turn to check / fold the river? And what to do with a Q / J at the river?

10. Is there a limit to how many players can be on the flop? I assume that betting with 10 players on the flop isn't a good move.

11. I can live with a bet flop. But I should fold against a raise? And what to do if 2 or 3 call and the T isn't the turn card? If the board was 2 suited should I still be betting the flop?

12. What if I was in an other position from what postion(s) shouldn't I bet the flop?

19. Why not cap the flop? Because of the connected board? I doubt raising the turn would kick CO, he already called cold on the flop and he has enough pot odds to coldcall the turn (if he has a flushdraw).

20. The call preflop is ok? Only 3 bet in hu situations (no coldcallers)? What makes u say he doesn't have a better set? (he had QQ)

21. I did not have any reads on him. But what kind of reads would make me fold? If he was a tag or a ps.der the only hand which I beat there is AQ is that enough for the 10%.

26. If SB was the bettor on the flop I don't have fold equity right?

To your advice:

What happens to the VIP bonus if I go back to 2/4? My MGR would drop from 4.xK in january to 1-2k in februari. And what would happen if I started playing 0.5/1 SH I can not play enough to generate 1k mgr.
I can understand german perfectly. The difference between die / der / dem / den etc is very hard. It would take some time to get it right and I didn't want to look stupid so I decided to write this in English.
I would like to try shorthanded, my problem is my laptop, laptops do not like big files (slow and small harddisks). A big pt database would stress my notebook and you need accurate reads for shorthanded or am I wrong here?

Original von ShyPh
3. I need to fold because BB check raised me? What if he bet into me would I still need to fold or raise and fold against a 3bet?

9. Let's say I bet the flop and SB and / or BB call(s). Should I take a freecard on the turn to check / fold the river? And what to do with a Q / J at the river?

10. Is there a limit to how many players can be on the flop? I assume that betting with 10 players on the flop isn't a good move.

11. I can live with a bet flop. But I should fold against a raise? And what to do if 2 or 3 call and the T isn't the turn card? If the board was 2 suited should I still be betting the flop?

12. What if I was in an other position from what postion(s) shouldn't I bet the flop?

19. Why not cap the flop? Because of the connected board? I doubt raising the turn would kick CO, he already called cold on the flop and he has enough pot odds to coldcall the turn (if he has a flushdraw).

20. The call preflop is ok? Only 3 bet in hu situations (no coldcallers)? What makes u say he doesn't have a better set? (he had QQ)

21. I did not have any reads on him. But what kind of reads would make me fold? If he was a tag or a ps.der the only hand which I beat there is AQ is that enough for the 10%.

26. If SB was the bettor on the flop I don't have fold equity right?

To your advice:

What happens to the VIP bonus if I go back to 2/4? My MGR would drop from 4.xK in january to 1-2k in februari. And what would happen if I started playing 0.5/1 SH I can not play enough to generate 1k mgr.
I can understand german perfectly. The difference between die / der / dem / den etc is very hard. It would take some time to get it right and I didn't want to look stupid so I decided to write this in English.
I would like to try shorthanded, my problem is my laptop, laptops do not like big files (slow and small harddisks). A big pt database would stress my notebook and you need accurate reads for shorthanded or am I wrong here?

first of all: korn overlooked in hand 22 that u must raise preflop with 88 from MP vs 1 limper!

3) its hard to fold TPTK but in this case he check/raises after bet and call on the turn, he screams to you "plz fold, I have a monster" making this move as a bluf makes NO sense^^

9) you must realizie that aces against a preflop raise scare your opponents more than you if u have no ace. If no oppenet holds an ace they will both fold in most cases. if u bet the flop and both villians call, you can easily check and fold to any bet an any big street.

10) difficult question. but you must see, the more oppentens on the flop, the more money in the pott, the less often u must be in front here. use again the scarefactor of an ace on the flop vs preflopraiser. I'd almost bet this flop in any case!

11) depends on your opponents. first of all, they will all fold often enough to make ur bet profitable. If now all villains call your bet and thea are relativiely tight, you can of cuz easy fold any turn unimproved. If now one lose opponent calls ur bet and hes a type of " i call every flop and dont consider folding before the turn you should of cut continue firing.

12) on this flop this is a no brainger autocontinuation bet from every position!

19) many people don't play reasonalbe on the flop and don't consider folding unless the must pay big bets. CO may coldcall many hands on the flop including a gutshot with an ace. of cuz in most cases, IF hes on a draw, he has pott odds even if he is faced 2 bets on the turn. but you can combine her the chance to knock him out with letting him pay the maximum for his draw!

20) depends on raising and coldcallind ranges. but vs 3 opponents you have no equity edge in average with TT. against 2 opponents u can 3 bet in most cases with TT and JJ.

21) e.g. extreme low river aggression factor. but this hand is extreme. if u want to fold ti a bet u better should bet/fold this river. check/fold makes no sense to me!

26) if SB bets its a tough spot. U can try to win the pot without SD and push on the flop and the turn. in this unraised pot i think u have the chance to take the pot WO SD. so u should push. If the pot is larger I tend to keep the opponents in the hand when i think that theres no way to avoid an SD. Additionally u get the chance to value raise on the flop if there is action behind you. U dont have overacrds and no outs you could "clear". I think its very close to call an SB bet to keep opponents in the hand vs aggressive pushing the hand here.