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[Closed] 200NL - QJo on J37ss vs raise oop

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Villain: VPIP: 21 PFR: 16 WTS: 18 AF: 4.0 (raise cbet 24%) 3-bets: 6.0% Sample: 2k Hands - No Reads

A fold on the flop is too weak here. I wanna ask about different turncards. What are you most likely to do if the turn blanks and he bets or the turn hits a heart and he bets?

Are you more likely to call if a heart hits because thats a good bluff card?

I know without reads thats tough, but what would be your decision without reads? Is it also OK to just fold flop if you dont know anything about his tendencies yet?

Full Tilt Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 731810
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

BTN: $204.25
SB: $647.20
BB: $260.85
UTG: $1357.05
MP: $222.70
Hero (CO): $220.85

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is CO with Q :spade: J :club:
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, BTN calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15.00) 3 :heart: J :heart: 7 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $10.00, BTN raises to $28


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Hi,

tough one, because of his high raise contibet value.
But I wouldn't mind a fold oop.
Reasons: Player looks kinda competent according to his stats. Therefore it will be very hard for you to come to showdown if you call on flop with your marginal hand.

Let's see what the judges think.

Best regards,
Anin


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bierbaer, what you think buddy?


Bierbaer
Joined: 27.05.2005

Originally posted by VEGAStoMAINZ86
bierbaer, what you think buddy?

Ah sorry, I'm always evaluating the hands bottom up. So if you post a hand and someone posts his opinion the thread goes to the top and it takes more time until I get to it.

Anyway, here are my thoughts:
If I call the flop I do so because I think he's (semi)bluffing often enough to make it +EV.
So once I do call the flop folding the turn would be spew (obv), therefore I probably go for a c/r on the turn if it's a non- :heart:.
On a heart turn I'd probably just c/f.

However, folding the flop is my preferred play against an unknown.
First of all he has to have quite a few bluffs to make calling and c/raising the turn +EV and he does not only have good equity with his draws but I think he could also show up with hands like KJ, AJ, JJ+.
So calling OOP and c/raising gets even more marginal.
This is how we do against a range of half the combinations of JJ+, half the combinations of AJ and KJ and a ton of FDs:
Board: Jh 7c 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 65.786% 65.50% 00.28% 22048 95.50 { AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, KcKh, KcKs, KdKs, QcQh, QcQs, QdQs, JcJh, JcJs, JdJs, AJs, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KJs, Th9h, Th8h, 9h8h, 9h7h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 7h6h, 7h5h, 6h5h, 5h4h, AdJc, AhJc, AhJd, AsJc, AsJd, AsJh, KdJc, KhJc, KhJd, KsJc, KsJd, KsJh }
Hand 1: 34.214% 33.93% 00.28% 11421 95.50 { QsJc }

Doesn't look too good.


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