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_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

What you are saying make sense, and is standard, however u must understand this is not playing against some random fish, this is playing 35 hu sng v a regular who is up over 10k who we have history against, the reason i bet small on turnis this:

What you said: bet bigger on turn since if he has draws he will pay u off:

Possible problems: If i bet bigger on turn, he folds a high probably, and has alot less fold equity if he misses his draws so he won't ship river.

With previous game history, i piss him off alot with betting under hp on paired boards and previously i have showed him complete air when i did so, so i was thinking by betting under hp, he would know i would have air some of time, so would always shove river regardless if he hit or not, i am 100 percent on this so none can tell me otherwise

Possible hands: His 3b was very low, so I put him on strong range, as i said b4 kk-kj is pretty much out of question cause of unlikely ness, so if he has it i just have to pay him off, i was thinking he could have k-q on turn or ak, but he would always c/r shove there, and k-9 was deff out question cause of tight 3b range, so in my mind he either had a hand like a-q, a-10, , aa-88, i think he ships all pocket pairs because of draws on turn, so like i said, he either has fh on turn or nothing in my mind, and cause of the unlikely ness of it I think i have 2 pay him off, on turn the main hands i put him on was a-q or 99, but then the river came and put another 9, so in my mind he had quads or nothing.

So analysing the flop and turn bet deeper, since i know he has a-x most the time, i like betting small to value own him and also price him in. And it's by far the best play given the history double barreling air when betting small on paired boards

Even if i was 50/50 on him having quad nines or not, i still have 2 call river because of money in middle.


Mammuth you fish stop donking off ur chips.

In all seriousness that's the worst bad beat I've ever seen.


That definetly makes sense ZeMammuth. And sounds like the best line to take given the history and his play style.

I wasn't really aware wether you were a fish or a good player really. I actualy assumed you were a bad player so i tried to give a little advice in my rambling which is hard to follow Also i'd say flopping trips/three of a kind(yes i know its not trips) really isn't that unlikely.. It sounds like your basicaly going to double someone up every time they flop 3 of a kind and you hit a good piece. might not wanna always think something is impossible cause it's very unlikely.. that type of thinking has cost me alot when my opponent flopped quads for example and i tried to outplay him with my high card...

god im tired..


Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009
BlackMember

Originally posted by ZeMammuth
When you run good, you run good

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
($1,245)
Hero ($1,755)

Dealt to Hero J♦ J♠

Hero raises to $60, raises to $180, Hero calls $120

FLOP ($360) K♦ K♠ J♥

bets $150, Hero calls $150

TURN ($660) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦

checks, Hero bets $269, calls $269

RIVER ($1,198) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦ 9♣

bets $646 (AI), Hero calls $646

shows 9♥ 9♠
(Pre 18%, Flop 0.2%, Turn 2.3%)

Hero shows J♦ J♠
(Pre 82%, Flop 99.8%, Turn 97.7%)

wins $2,490

Money in ahead: 599
Money in behind: 646

Bad beat?


Originally posted by Shevtshenko

Originally posted by ZeMammuth
When you run good, you run good

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
($1,245)
Hero ($1,755)

Dealt to Hero J♦ J♠

Hero raises to $60, raises to $180, Hero calls $120

FLOP ($360) K♦ K♠ J♥

bets $150, Hero calls $150

TURN ($660) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦

checks, Hero bets $269, calls $269

RIVER ($1,198) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦ 9♣

bets $646 (AI), Hero calls $646

shows 9♥ 9♠
(Pre 18%, Flop 0.2%, Turn 2.3%)

Hero shows J♦ J♠
(Pre 82%, Flop 99.8%, Turn 97.7%)

wins $2,490

Money in ahead: 599
Money in behind: 646

Bad beat?

You can put all your money in being behind the whole way but it can still be a bad beat, cant it?=)


Shevtshenko
Joined: 06.12.2009
BlackMember

Originally posted by JuiceQuadre

Originally posted by Shevtshenko

Originally posted by ZeMammuth
When you run good, you run good

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
($1,245)
Hero ($1,755)

Dealt to Hero J♦ J♠

Hero raises to $60, raises to $180, Hero calls $120

FLOP ($360) K♦ K♠ J♥

bets $150, Hero calls $150

TURN ($660) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦

checks, Hero bets $269, calls $269

RIVER ($1,198) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦ 9♣

bets $646 (AI), Hero calls $646

shows 9♥ 9♠
(Pre 18%, Flop 0.2%, Turn 2.3%)

Hero shows J♦ J♠
(Pre 82%, Flop 99.8%, Turn 97.7%)

wins $2,490

Money in ahead: 599
Money in behind: 646

Bad beat?

You can put all your money in being behind the whole way but it can still be a bad beat, cant it?=)

Can it? Don't know if you just leveled me, though... :f_confused:


EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010
Oldschool Grinder

LOL! He needed something like 500:1 implied odds to make his calls profitable. Talking about putting money in ahead or behind in this situation is just silly imo. He is too much ahead.


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

lol how is this post still going I just wanted to share the hand with the world for a laugh, I played the hand to perfection so I am not looking for ways i could of pld it better ^^

The only mistake was the limp pre, I actually missclicked, but other than that it's all good...

Another example of a similar hand would be, imagine u have pocket 2's, the flop comes 2-2-k, obviously you are going to slowplay, if the turn and river comes 5-5 giving the other guy quad 5's, are you really gonna fold ? (You got your money in behind not bad beat)


NeilSimpson
Joined: 14.06.2010
PokerStrategist

suck it up and fold the river here......so unlikely hes shoving with a hand that u beat.......its a sick beat but when ur calling the river knowing hes probly raped you.....ask urself really what does he shove that u beat? if he has a marginal hand that he thinks is infront he'll most likely check call the river to pick up any bluffs.....e.g 9x. or A high.


dylboi011
Joined: 20.04.2010
Elite Grinder
Alficor1
Joined: 16.06.2010
PokerStrategist

Originally posted by ZeMammuth
When you run good, you run good

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $30(BB) Replayer
($1,245)
Hero ($1,755)

Dealt to Hero J♦ J♠

Hero raises to $60, raises to $180, Hero calls $120

FLOP ($360) K♦ K♠ J♥

bets $150, Hero calls $150

TURN ($660) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦

checks, Hero bets $269, calls $269

RIVER ($1,198) K♦ K♠ J♥ 9♦ 9♣

bets $646 (AI), Hero calls $646

shows 9♥ 9♠
(Pre 18%, Flop 0.2%, Turn 2.3%)

Hero shows J♦ J♠
(Pre 82%, Flop 99.8%, Turn 97.7%)

wins $2,490

Should have raised the flop.. always better to win a small pot then to lose a big pot. Easy fold on the river, they always have quads.


the way i see it - if he called u each time and you thought he might have AK u should've folded. even a simple little K beats your hand.

then again money comes and money goes - u'll get him next time


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

I <3 this site

TY for advice every1 it has been amazingly helpful, I am suprized how good so many of you are on this site

I really appreciate the advice from great players

I am really happy and grateful to hear the thoughts of amazing players which makes many thousands a month.

I deff love the last comment aswell, its better to win a small pot then lose a big one, i've never heard it more clearly than that before. Wise wise words, I mean, I deff should of raised flop, there was alot he could of had, any king...


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

Mm, I am having a hard time telling if people are either very stupid/bad or trolling.

I issue a challenge to whoever thinks they are good enough 2 give me advice

The challenge: 34.50 turbo hu sngs on Stars, we play 20 games total, 2 tabling.

Eaaasyyy Maneey for the people that are obv better than me so capable of giving me advice :)


UXMALAGA
Joined: 21.12.2010
PokerStrategist

I´m sorry but this is not bad beat at all... simply every Kx beats you on the river... :rolleyes:


EmanuelC16
Joined: 02.01.2010
Oldschool Grinder

I knew this thread would turn out to be epic! That's why I nominated it for thread of the month. :f_cool:

@Nick: I like how everyone is giving you advice. Wanna venture a guess of why that is, you bronze status fish? :f_biggrin:


Alficor1
Joined: 16.06.2010
PokerStrategist

Originally posted by ZeMammuth
The challenge: 34.50 turbo hu sngs on Stars, we play 20 games total, 2 tabling.

We can play one $1 HA SNG on FT if you wanna.


dylboi011
Joined: 20.04.2010
Elite Grinder

Originally posted by ZeMammuth
I deff love the last comment aswell, its better to win a small pot then lose a big one, i've never heard it more clearly than that before. Wise wise words, I mean, I deff should of raised flop, there was alot he could of had, any king...

dude i think nl10sh player jst leveled your arse!


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

Originally posted by EmanuelC16
I knew this thread would turn out to be epic! That's why I nominated it for thread of the month. :f_cool:

@Nick: I like how everyone is giving you advice. Wanna venture a guess of why that is, you bronze status fish? :f_biggrin:

Stop giving it away :)


NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008
Elite Grinder

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.5/$1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

Known players:
[tg]UTG2$219.20:///////;MP1$185.45:///////;MP2$484.40:///////;MP3 (Hero)$152.15:///////;CO$113.35:///////;BU$358.20:///////;SB$50.25:///////;BB$169.20:///////;UTG1$154.50:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T:s, T:h.
4 folds, Hero raises to $3.00, CO folds, BU raises to $9.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $6.00.

Flop: ($19.5) A:h, 9:c, 9:s (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $12.00, Hero calls $12.00.

Turn: ($43.5) T:c (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $33.00, Hero calls $33.00.

River: ($109.5) T:d (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $304.20(All-In), Hero calls $98.15(All-In).

Final Pot: $511.85.
Results follow:

Hero shows four of a kind, tens(T:s T:h).
BU shows four of a kind, nines(9:d 9:h).

Hero wins with four of a kind, tens(T:s T:h).


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