poker, skill or luck

pogodon

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13.08.2010, 05:10 0

ok i need all the smart cheeky people i see alot of in the forum to help me here

me and my brother ( who doesn't really play poker) constantly have this debate

he says: poker is all about luck no matter how you play you can just get unlucky or lucky at the end.

i say: (the usual shit) obvioulsy poker has luck involved but only for short time, over long periods skill kills luck

and he ask him if it was about luck how does 1 player ( phil ivey win so much, is he lucky i say)

he tells me if skill is better then how does fools get to the final table of wsop every year<<<<<<<< thats a tough one

so please cheeky forum users give me a smart but correct answer to shut the fucker up

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Hlynkinn

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13.08.2010, 06:27 0

he tells me if skill is better then how does fools get to the final table of wsop every year<<<<<<<< thats a tough one

1 tournament sample size ftw!!!

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kennyxx

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13.08.2010, 06:33 0

Originally posted by pogodon
...he tells me if skill is better then how does fools get to the final table of wsop every year<<<<<<<< thats a tough one

I think You answered already

Originally posted by pogodon
i say: (the usual shit) obvioulsy poker has luck involved but only for short time, over long periods skill kills luck...

Atoks

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13.08.2010, 06:33 0

Just look at some data available on PTR.com, sharkscope.com or whichever site u use to get more info against ppl u play. If people who play 20k+ tournies or 2mil+hand are lucking their way into tens of thousands of dollars I'll eat this post.

cjchalmers

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13.08.2010, 13:03 0

Originally posted by Atoks
Just look at some data available on PTR.com, sharkscope.com or whichever site u use to get more info against ppl u play. If people who play 20k+ tournies or 2mil+hand are lucking their way into tens of thousands of dollars I'll eat this post.

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vonki

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13.08.2010, 13:19 0

about the final table: One tournament is a shortterm-thing and thus any idiot with luck knocking on his door can make it to a final table in one tourney, but he is very unlikely to ever do so again.

Short-term, poker is based on the outcome of the cards (aka luck), but if you run a scenario enough times, luck will stop to be a factor and probability will kick in.

We feed out of people like your brother and others who think its a game of luck, so please don't forward it to him...

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Alficor1

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13.08.2010, 13:36 0

I think if you tell him this: "take someone like Doyle Brunson who has been living off poker exclusively for the past five decades. Was he lucky fifty years in a row?", it should end the arguement..

And honestly, why do you even argue about poker with someone who doesnt even play it?

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_Anonymous_

13.08.2010, 13:38 0

Hello!

The answer is simple. Poker is a game of skill AND luck. Short-term, the luck will be the king, long-term, the skill will be the king :). Make him read the poker mindset or something ;).

Best regards,

Primzi

_Anonymous_

13.08.2010, 13:48 0

About the main event.

It's right, the november nine are not the top 9 poker players, but I don't see any fools there.

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