AKs OOP

I prefer here 4bet preflop, be on SB without position and possible 3bet pot in 3way action isn't good thing because more times we don't catch flop. Check-raise here flop is ok vs AQ and KK we have coin flip vs AA we get 40% chance to win vs set of queens or nines (less chance possible but if CO is aggresive maybe 3bet 99 here too but is seldom thing) we have 25% equity if we cbet here jacks or tens we are favourite do if we get only AQ, QQ+ and maybe this 99 we still get enough equity to Play for stacks on flop.

Add me to the 4Bet camp.
Post flop, well played

In general we should avoid calling 3-bets from the SB too much, because we go to a flop out of position.

Although cold-calling a 3-bet as you did in this hand is an absolute no-no. 4bet or fold pre.

Ok, I understand that calling and playing OOP is not a good option.

But what is the reasoning after 4betting? Great hand with alot of equity, take pot with a 4bet, simple as that?

If you 4bet to 25bb. Are we calling if one or both shoves 100bb?

Fold probably if MP ships(unless he is known whale) and call CO shove. AK potential lies in aggressive play and fold equity which you dont have if you call.

If you give MP a 12% OR (very tight) and CO 8% 3bet (realistic), you are something like:

       Equity  Vencer  Empate
MP2    27.76%  25.56%   2.20% { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+ }
CO     32.13%  28.96%   3.17% { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }
SB     40.11%  35.76%   4.35% { AdKd }

This means that, although you are ahead of ranges, once the flop is dealt, you are only getting in average 40% of it AND PAYING RAKE OVER IT.

Now, if 4bet to 25BBs and get ONLY MP to fold, you are something like:

       Equity  Vencer  Empate
CO     42.46%  36.87%   5.59% { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+ }
SB     57.54%  51.95%   5.59% { AdKd }

You can argue that CO call range will tighten, and we get something like:

       Equity  Vencer  Empate
CO     43.07%  42.32%   0.75% { QQ-TT, AQs-ATs, KQs, QJs }
SB     56.93%  56.18%   0.75% { AdKd }

Or that he can jam and in such case, his range would be something like (including QQ or not makes 1% difference):

       Equity  Vencer  Empate
CO     58.09%  38.80%  19.29% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
SB     41.91%  22.61%  19.29% { AdKd }

Note that even in this scenario you get more equity than in a 3way pot.

No, if villain only jams QQ, KK and AA:

       Equity  Vencer  Empate
CO     65.44%  65.08%   0.36% { QQ+ }
SB     34.56%  34.19%   0.36% { AdKd }

Only if we are completely sure CO has KK or AA it gets ugly for us. But if you know how to know that, please teach me.

       Equity  Vencer  Empate
CO     76.90%  76.38%   0.52% { KK+ }
SB     23.10%  22.59%   0.52% { AdKd }

To sum it up, by calling, you get 40% equity. In the 2nd worst scenario (CO 100% of the time has QQ, KK, AA) you get 35%.

I am not qualified to teach anyone to play AK, but I can tell you from my experience (graph) that most of my profit with AK is in the red line, as I take every % of fold equity I can with that hand and, imo, it is its best attribute, as it blocks villains AA, KK and AK.
Hope the math above is as helpful for you as it is for me everytime I ned to remember myself why I jam AK PF when opportunity is available.

Thanks YM for taking the time to run these numbers. It's an eye-opener.

Originally posted by yangmartins
This means that, although you are ahead of ranges, once the flop is dealt, you are only getting in average 40% of it AND PAYING RAKE OVER IT.

Yes, that's quite important. Any time you can add to your stack rake-free you should.
The trick is avoiding overplaying AK