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K10s second nut flush

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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

Turn min raise is very disqusting but i saw villain was able to stack of A-8-9-K-K board with A3o and another villain shows 99.
So i thinked he was able to min raise almost every middle or high spade, 10+ or maybe less. And villain set broke stack. Always enough second nut flush to call?
Villain only 100 hands, and played 49/11.

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $5.21 (104.2 bb)
BB: $11.70 (234 bb)
UTG+2: $1.72 (34.4 bb)
MP1: $5.06 (101.2 bb)
MP2: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
MP3: $3.44 (68.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $8.79 (175.8 bb)
BTN: $2.96 (59.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♠ T♠
3 folds, MP3 calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.22, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.51) J♠ 5♠ 3♠ (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.33, MP3 calls $0.33

Turn: ($1.17) 6♠ (2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets $0.56, MP3 raises to $1.12, Hero calls $0.56

River: ($3.41) 4♣ (2 players)
MP3 bets $1.77, Hero calls $1.77

Spoiler

Results: $6.95 pot ($0.29 rake)
Final Board: J♠ 5♠ 3♠ 6♠ 4♣
MP3 showed 2♣ A♠ and won $6.66 ($3.22 net)
Hero showed K♠ T♠ and lost (-$3.44 net)


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

Low limits, when you get raised on the turn or river from not maniac type player, it is almost always a nuts. I still do this kind of mistakes myself sometimes, it is very annoying.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

I would check the turn here
to
1) let him bluff river with air
2) It'll be hard to get him to call 2 larger bets with bet +bet
3) to avoid what happened here - the raise
4) as played you just have to fold here (on the river - always call turn), it'll be rare for people to expect you to fold a flush that you valuebet on the turn
And he shouldn't valuebet worse

Hope to see ya tonight - thinking about equity you both have would help you out here :)

https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=461513&goto=firstnew


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

"I saw villain was able to stack of A-8-9-K-K board with A3o and another villain shows 99."

It is just my unlucky, he do this move every flush.

Help, today lost 4 buy in so far, but afternoon and evening i hope i will lose all money and i finished poker. Joke what going to, about the last 4-5 days i lost full stack AA vs QQ 4-5 times. What is this and how can happen especially 3bet pot villain gets the 2 outs, of course most of time the turn.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

you should take a break
and come back with a clear head :)


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ToddBrunson
Joined: 23.05.2010

I am not tired, yesterday i was really lucky? and i won 13 dollars, of course before morning lost 12. Now i will see, i bet now i lost about 2-3 buy in. Come on


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

I like to overbet this hands OTF with the intention of ship it OTT.
Turn sucks but it wont always be a spade.
As played, fold OTT against that min raise doesnt make sense. Call is good but the river is going to be difficult if he bets. Just shove OTT imo.
I think this hands are bet bet bet. I can sleep very well when they have the ace.


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

Originally posted by zetozinho
As played, fold OTT against that min raise doesnt make sense. Call is good but the river is going to be difficult if he bets. Just shove OTT imo.

What hands do you get the value from when shoving OTT?
Do you have a protection doing that against anything?
Do you get better hand fold?


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zetozinho
Joined: 18.06.2017

Originally posted by headshot2009

Originally posted by zetozinho
As played, fold OTT against that min raise doesnt make sense. Call is good but the river is going to be difficult if he bets. Just shove OTT imo.

What hands do you get the value from when shoving OTT?
Do you have a protection doing that against anything?
Do you get better hand fold?

Hands like the Q flush. Or a set. Ive seen donks call with sets on this boards


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headshot2009
Joined: 01.08.2009

Originally posted by zetozinho

Originally posted by headshot2009

Originally posted by zetozinho
As played, fold OTT against that min raise doesnt make sense. Call is good but the river is going to be difficult if he bets. Just shove OTT imo.

What hands do you get the value from when shoving OTT?
Do you have a protection doing that against anything?
Do you get better hand fold?

Hands like the Q flush. Or a set. Ive seen donks call with sets on this boards

Maybe vs very bad players that would work, I probably would do that at NL2 tables as the best move :)


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bradomurder
Joined: 17.10.2008

I like to bet at least pot with a non-nut flopped flush vs fish.

They'll call with that high spade or with top pair anyway.

Then I'm checking back the turn and calling the river if he bets, or betting if he checks the river.

As played, call turn, fold river.


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OrigamiPoker
Joined: 27.10.2018

Id check back the turn your hand is basically a bluff catcher now.If villain checks the river we can make another small value bet or pick off river bluffs. I kind of understand the turn barrel with the intention to check back the river but I don't think it's the best turn line to take.By betting the turn you don't gain any extra value if you intend checking back the river and you have the disadvantage of folding all villains river bluffs.I think shoving the turn Is a pretty horrific idea though.

Originally posted by ToddBrunson

It is just my unlucky, he do this move every flush.

Help, today lost 4 buy in so far, but afternoon and evening i hope i will lose all money and i finished poker. Joke what going to, about the last 4-5 days i lost full stack AA vs QQ 4-5 times. What is this and how can happen especially 3bet pot villain gets the 2 outs, of course most of time the turn.

That's poker you have to take the rough with the smooth bad runs can get much worse than this.Dont worry about results concentrate on whether you made the correct play.


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