Punishing the limpers is fine and our hand plays well multiway. Only problem is that if only CO calls with his short stack, our stack to pot ratio is very low. Speculative hands benefit from high SPR. I still don't think overlimping is the way to go since blinds look aggressive. Iso-raising should be fine here. Other option is to fold but folding is boring :/
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Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by Kev43
I'm not sure what you're expecting with your raise preflop ? What is your plan ?
Are you expecting to isolate one of the limpers and to bet the flop only with a draw if they both call you pre ?I can take the pot down preflop + If I get one of them heads up its is easy to take the pot away. If they both call then I have to play my hand more straightforward.
Okay I see, I guess it depends how the limpers react to a raise.
If the limpers tend to limp/call a lot more than limp/fold (and it's usually the case) I don't mind folding here.
Limping is annoying to balance :/
Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by Kev43
I'm not sure what you're expecting with your raise preflop ? What is your plan ?
Are you expecting to isolate one of the limpers and to bet the flop only with a draw if they both call you pre ?I can take the pot down preflop + If I get one of them heads up its is easy to take the pot away. If they both call then I have to play my hand more straightforward.
Totally agree with this.
I like your line given that you are playing vs fish you could go even smaller vs the range you want to fold put i.e. busted draws, vs fish you dont need to balance anything. Because they wont fold a made hand so i think you could go like 40%.
I like betting flop and if called and I don't improve on turn, give up, if I do improve, a draw is imo the best improvement I can get with that exact hand and I would much rather check back/call turn and bluff a heart river if checked too.. not sure I would try to 2b bluff against relative unknown on river though, if lead into. For sure would not bluff that river(would play KQ that way for pot control and not ruin the fish potentially bluffing river) what would I be repping on river there? Slow played QQ? I don't play it that way so wouldn't add up for anyone that knows me, I could have AJ/AKhh there and would play it the exact same way(OOP I would barrel the nut fd there, but in pos, I don't wanna get c/r). To me that river is just a give up spot without any specific notes.
We don't have even a draw OTF 
I would bet if we are drawing to the nuts. Weaker draws I would play more passively.
Not only we are not drawing to nuts but we are mw. we do not know if someone will fod here.
If we had a draw I think it would be better to bet OTF to take advantage of our fold equity. Here check is fine cause we have air.
I agree with you there. Backdoors are too weak and I would rather x/f those OTF when multiway.
Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by nitrol
Will you check Qx on flop mw?Oh no never. Somehow I misread this hand that the Q came on the board OTT. Yes my river bet is horrible.
How is it possible to misread this hand so many times...
I would never bet otr like this with this line... I was thinking all the time that the Q came on the turn?(?(?( Hahah sorry for posting this hand! I feel really stupid. When I was playing I also thought that the flop was lowcards and Q came on the turn..
With the "new" information I would just call turn and never bet river...
I'd actually say you played it just fine. Don't worry too much about what your opponent (a fish) puts you on. His hand didn't warrant a bet and he might fold.
A preflop call is nice; if the professional squeezers in the blinds are dumb enough to squeeze (facing fish-fish-presumable reg in that order), then you can call the squeeze if both fish call, which they will. It is a nice spot over all.
Originally posted by nitrol
If we just call preflop are we calling the squeeze?
If the fish with $ left calls, we can call too. The squeeze size will typically be 6-7 bb, and this is not much more than the 5-6 bb required to squeeze ourselves. We lose initiative but have position still against a presumably weak squeezing range. I feel totally comfortable.
With the mere preflop overlimp, there is the chance that we get to play our suited connectors the way they like best, in position in a very, very cheap multiway pot.